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Aug 13 2018 11:11am
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pay attention already.
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Aug 13 2018 11:15am
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I agree that everything deserves to be evaluated in its proper context, but Strozk is still a huge embarrassment for the FBI, even if it's just a perception issue. His behavior leaves a lot to the imagination, and Mueller was right to fire him when he did.

I'm glad we have a Special Counsel looking into all of this because at this point between Strzok/McCabe/Comey and the respective OIG reports on the FBI over the past few years, I wouldn't have much faith in the institution to do it right. I have much more faith in Mueller.

Christopher Wray actually looks to be a great FBI pick. I hope he leads the Bureau out of this mess and restores some of the norms that Comey violated. Trump is right, Comey is a total showboat. It doesn't surprise me one bit how he has tried to profit off of his own self-inflicted blunders (press conference, letter) in the aftermath of his firing with his book tour.


here's where we agree:

-Strzok using his work device to send text messages to Page is embarrassing for the FBI, not going to argue that.
-I too have more faith in Mueller than the FBI
-Comey was a disaster

I just think you need to be careful about trying to say Stzrok getting fired was a good thing, especially when it was only recommended he get a 60 day suspension and a demotion... something is fishy here...
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Aug 13 2018 11:20am
I find it funny that Strzok is lauded as some mastermind when he still had to get approval from above on basically everything he did in all investigations. Maybe this will finally be the time that Trump declassifies some items to make it more clear, likely not tho.

Strzok seems to have been hyperbolic in an attempt to hit on a chick, imo. But to me that's a fire-able offense for an institution like the FBI. Especially when his hearing reeked of him fishing for the limelight and a potential book deal or pundentcy somewhere.
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Aug 13 2018 11:26am
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[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMvm4bK7TM4[/VIDEO]

pay attention already.


oh boo hoo of course you can't equally prioritize two investigations especially when one is clearly more important than there other, this is the important part you want to ignore...
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Earlier in his remarks, Horowitz said his report did not find evidence that FBI decisions directly resulted from bias, but he highlighted the damage their mistakes caused.



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Aug 13 2018 11:29am
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oh boo hoo of course you can't equally prioritize two investigations especially when one is clearly more important than there other, this is the important part you want to ignore...


do you have any idea the amount of evidence that would be required to be the obverse?

they didn't find any evidence on HRC scrubbing email servers either, the hammer got to them first.

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Aug 13 2018 11:30am
Quote (Horford @ Aug 13 2018 11:26am)
oh boo hoo of course you can't equally prioritize two investigations especially when one is clearly more important than there other, this is the important part you want to ignore...


if strzok allowed his bias to make him prioritize one investigation over the other and consider it 'more important than there other', than his bias was corrupting the investigations, and he deserved to be fired for it.
Horowitz clearly had reason to believe that Strzok's bias influenced his emphasis on the Trump investigation over the Hillary investigation.
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Aug 13 2018 11:33am


Reuters take on Strzok firing...

FBI agent Strzok, who criticized Trump in text messages, is fired

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fbi-strzok/fbi-agent-strzok-who-criticized-trump-in-text-messages-is-fired-idUSKBN1KY1TU

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Strzok was deeply involved in the FBI’s Clinton email investigation and was temporarily assigned to Mueller’s office. He was removed from that post after his texts came to light.

The texts were criticized by the Justice Department’s inspector general in a recent report that examined the FBI’s handling of the Clinton email probe. Republicans in Congress have repeatedly pointed to them as evidence the FBI is biased against Trump.




I also think, and have stated before this, that the FBI's investigation of the HRC email shenanigans, left a lot to be desired.


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Aug 13 2018 11:38am
Quote (ThatAlex @ Aug 13 2018 11:50am)
I'm not talking about the texts as much as his Congressional hearing. That was a total embarasment for everybody - including both the GOP House and Strzok.

Who does that guy think he is? It's one thing to send a late night text to a chick you're trying to sleep with, it's another to act like a pompous idiot in front of the entire nation when you're supposed to be representing an organization like the FBI.

You didn't think Strzok came across as an incompetent weirdo in his testimony? I didn't get the impression he was the calibre of someone worthy of overseeing two major FBI investigations.

He was trying to sleep with people on his own team during all this. That's a very basic level of unprofessionalism and misconduct. Even if this is purely a perception issue as Strzok says, it's still a blow to the FBI.


I thought Strzok did well in his testimony... which is why it was such an embarrassment for Republicans. When people are slandering you 24/7 on television, you can't expect the guy to just take it lying down.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 13 2018 12:00pm)
the OIG found substantial reason to believe that Strzok's personal bias interfered with his prioritizing the Trump investigation over the Hillary investigation
we can't say based on these thin reports whether Horowitz gave any further recommendation to Bowdich beyond the normal disciplinary process.


That's not what Horowitz said in the video you posted.

Quote (Ghot @ Aug 13 2018 12:33pm)
Reuters take on Strzok firing...


I find it kind of odd how you always have to post a Reuters article pertaining to an issue people are discussing... when a link has already been posted that contains the same information.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 13 2018 11:39am
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Aug 13 2018 11:38am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 13 2018 01:30pm)
if strzok allowed his bias to make him prioritize one investigation over the other and consider it 'more important than there other', than his bias was corrupting the investigations, and he deserved to be fired for it.
Horowitz clearly had reason to believe that Strzok's bias influenced his emphasis on the Trump investigation over the Hillary investigation.


so we're just going to ignore this?!?!?

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even though the director of the FBI office that normally handles employee discipline had decided Strzok should face only a demotion and 60-day suspension.
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Aug 13 2018 11:43am
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 13 2018 11:33am)
Reuters take on Strzok firing...

FBI agent Strzok, who criticized Trump in text messages, is fired

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fbi-strzok/fbi-agent-strzok-who-criticized-trump-in-text-messages-is-fired-idUSKBN1KY1TU





I also think, and have stated before this, that the FBI's investigation of the HRC email shenanigans, left a lot to be desired.


the amount of evidence HRC left behind left a lot to be desired. The FBI can't keep investigations with no evidence open just because there's a "this feel fishy" factor. You can only look for copies of a server and question the people involved so many times before you have to move on.

Quote (Horford @ Aug 13 2018 11:38am)
so we're just going to ignore this?!?!?


you're acting like they suggested 2 counseling sessions or something. a 60-day suspension is a fairly serious punishment, not all that out of line with firing. If you got a 2 month suspension at your job wouldn't you say "gosh, thank goodness i didn't get fired, this is clearly serious"?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 13 2018 11:44am
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