Quote (ThatAlex @ Aug 6 2018 12:04pm)
The key difference is that Trump is President and Clinton is not.
Personally, I'm fine with investigating whatever wrongdoing Clinton and the DNC did or did not do during the 2016 election.
Our issue is when Clinton is repeteadly brought up to steer a discussion away from Trump. If you wanna talk about Clinton, fine, but don't use her political behavior to justify anything Trump did or didn't do or to avoid discussion about Trump.
And yes I believe Trump deserves more media (not necessarily legal) scrutiny than Clinton right now. He is the President. There are claims about Clinton colluding with Russia. Those claims could be true, but she also isn't the person who is holding summits with foreign leaders right now.
The endless whataboutism is what is derailing productive discussion.
My idea: We should make a Hillary Clinton Russian Collusion thread where all claims, stories, and info pertaining to her potential wrongdoing can go over there instead of here. It would also be looked down upon for posters to bring up Trump whataboutisms in that thread, too, unless there was some potentially important legal implication relating the two. This could limit whataboutisms in both threads and force users to look at each situation more independently and honestly.
The problem here is that Hillary Clinton is proximate to almost all the discussions about the 2016 election and Russiaburger.
Her shadow is cast over all the ensuing slapfights because the simple fact is Hillary Clinton has far more to do with Russia in the 2016 election than Trump does.
You can't just brush it aside as a whataboutism when the very
reason that Russia hacked the DNC emails and released them was a specific revenge on Hillary Clinton for her interference in the 2011 elections- something which had dick all to do with Trump and everything to do with Clinton. It was a personal beef between Hillary and Vladimir. Everything we've learned about since has reinforced this and nothing has contradicted it. And then on top of it, we found out the ways in which Hillary was embroiled in foreign interference in the 2016 election, Ukraine via the Manafort ledger-embassy story, Russia via the Steele Dossier, and I'd bet my left nut that China played a significant role but at least they had the good sense to keep it pretty quiet with Cui Tiankei meeting with Podesta in secret for unknown reasons.
Now I'd prefer a world where Hillary just gets lost in the woods and never returns to the public's attention, but the left is relitigating her election to delegitimize her loss, the media is obsessed with the Russian campaign directed against her, and Mueller is just this past week referring Tony Podesta for FARA violations- the man who made his whole living off selling access to the Clintons.
Hillary is just one woman. It was always just pure pandering when Trump talked about locking her up, because her fate was irrelevant and tearing down the temple would bring ruin on us all, not 'drain the swamp'. And he showed that when the very first thing he did upon winning the election was say he ain't gonna bother with her and betrayed all his supporters who kept screeching about her. That alone gave me some real confidence in him. But Hillary is like herpes and isn't going away
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