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Aug 6 2018 09:18am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 6 2018 09:07am)
I wonder if these idiots from Fox actually believe this false equivalence nonsense they put out.

The Clinton campaign paid a law firm, who then paid Fusion GPS, who then paid Chris Steele, a highly experienced MI6 agent, who then used his sources in Russia to get information on Trump. Steele's sources and subsources put their lives at risk to provide information to him. If some of Steele's claims are true, he's truly a hero for bringing the information to the FBI.


If Trump had hired Michael Cohen to enlist Cambridge Analytica to hire Michael Steele who paid Russian intermediaries who colluded with active Kremlin agents to receive the DNC emails and other opposition research on Hillary's campaign that came back up the chain to Trump with a 'purple monkey dishwasher' affixed to the end of it, would the obfuscation and delegation absolve Trump of any responsibility in colluding with Russia?

Hillary's campaign colluded with kremlin agents for dirt on Trump. They did it through a whole series of intermediaries. And those Russian intermediaries quite the opposite of 'putting their lives on the line' were being paid exorbitant amounts of money to peddle bullshit and keep Steele stringing along with a glimmer of rumor and innuendo because as long as they kept singing, they kept getting those Clinton campaign bucks.
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Aug 6 2018 09:20am
Quote (Horford @ Aug 6 2018 10:14am)
isn't it true that Steele had no idea where the information he was collecting was going to? (other than Fusion GPS of course), he had no knowledge of his information going to the law firm that Hillary paid? right?

It's not like Hillary was colluding with the Russians like Ghot or the President tries to imply.


I've heard that, but I don't know why it matters. It doesn't take a genius to know that during that time it'll be some Democrat funding the research.

Chris Steele colluded with Russian sources to potentially expose a compromised American... something the MI6 and CIA do all the time.
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Aug 6 2018 09:26am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 6 2018 10:18am)
If Trump had hired Michael Cohen to enlist Cambridge Analytica to hire Michael Steele who paid Russian intermediaries who colluded with active Kremlin agents to receive the DNC emails and other opposition research on Hillary's campaign that came back up the chain to Trump with a 'purple monkey dishwasher' affixed to the end of it, would the obfuscation and delegation absolve Trump of any responsibility in colluding with Russia?

Hillary's campaign colluded with kremlin agents for dirt on Trump. They did it through a whole series of intermediaries. And those Russian intermediaries quite the opposite of 'putting their lives on the line' were being paid exorbitant amounts of money to peddle bullshit and keep Steele stringing along with a glimmer of rumor and innuendo because as long as they kept singing, they kept getting those Clinton campaign bucks.


Your hypothetical is another false equivalence. And I'm laying out the facts, not skipping over them to make some weak partisan argument.

Chris Steele colluded with Russian sources to potentially expose a compromised American... something the MI6 and CIA do all the time. Intelligence agencies pay sources... it's not anything new, lol.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 6 2018 09:27am
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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 6 2018 11:18am)
If Trump had hired Michael Cohen to enlist Cambridge Analytica to hire Michael Steele who paid Russian intermediaries who colluded with active Kremlin agents to receive the DNC emails and other opposition research on Hillary's campaign that came back up the chain to Trump with a 'purple monkey dishwasher' affixed to the end of it, would the obfuscation and delegation absolve Trump of any responsibility in colluding with Russia?

Hillary's campaign colluded with kremlin agents for dirt on Trump. They did it through a whole series of intermediaries. And those Russian intermediaries quite the opposite of 'putting their lives on the line' were being paid exorbitant amounts of money to peddle bullshit and keep Steele stringing along with a glimmer of rumor and innuendo because as long as they kept singing, they kept getting those Clinton campaign bucks.


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Aleksandr Kogan, the Russian-born scientist who was working in Russia with grants from the Russian government while harvesting Facebook data for Cambridge Analytica.


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Cambridge Analytica, a data-mining consultancy, has quickly become the albatross around the necks of Republican political operatives. The firm got a national reputation for its work during the 2016 elections with a client list that included the Donald J. Trump for President campaign.



= collusion with Russia.
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Quote (IceMage @ Aug 6 2018 09:20am)
I've heard that, but I don't know why it matters. It doesn't take a genius to know that during that time it'll be some Democrat funding the research.

Chris Steele colluded with Russian sources to potentially expose a compromised American... something the MI6 and CIA do all the time.


MI6 and the CIA are authorized to cooperate with their foreign counterparts for national security operations, like intelligence sharing with the GRU in counter-terrorism operations
Campaign staff and political guns-for-hire have no such authorization. Doing so is outside the bounds of normalcy if not illegal, and should be judged on its ethical grounds and scandalous content.
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Quote (IceMage @ Aug 6 2018 11:20am)
I've heard that, but I don't know why it matters. It doesn't take a genius to know that during that time it'll be some Democrat funding the research.

Chris Steele colluded with Russian sources to potentially expose a compromised American... something the MI6 and CIA do all the time.


That's (BOLD) the important part that Trump cultists like to ignore.
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Aug 6 2018 09:34am
Quote (Horford @ Aug 6 2018 09:28am)
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= collusion with Russia.


Kogan is not a Russian government agent nor was he on any path of reciprocal data flow. He has about the same relevance as if Brad Parscale played a game of DOTA with some Russian guys on his team thanks to Valve's shitty matchmaking.
There is a considerable difference between those entities we know were within a structure of intelligence sharing and cooperation, versus desperately looking for any kind of association to the point people freak out that Cambridge Analytica was 'access from Russia' with no evidence that it was part of any larger effort. That's the 'Russian salad dressing' scenario. Based on what we know right now, you can at best wildly speculate completely baselessly whether he had any connections to anything.
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Aug 6 2018 09:41am
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 6 2018 11:34am)
Kogan is not a Russian government agent nor was he on any path of reciprocal data flow. He has about the same relevance as if Brad Parscale played a game of DOTA with some Russian guys on his team thanks to Valve's shitty matchmaking.
There is a considerable difference between those entities we know were within a structure of intelligence sharing and cooperation, versus desperately looking for any kind of association to the point people freak out that Cambridge Analytica was 'access from Russia' with no evidence that it was part of any larger effort. That's the 'Russian salad dressing' scenario. Based on what we know right now, you can at best wildly speculate completely baselessly whether he had any connections to anything.


>not a Russian government agent
>got grants from the RUSSIAN GOVERMENT

so the Kremlin was paying Kogan for perfectly benign reasons?
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Aug 6 2018 10:09am
Quote (Horford @ Aug 6 2018 11:41am)
>not a Russian government agent
>got grants from the RUSSIAN GOVERMENT

so the Kremlin was paying Kogan for perfectly benign reasons?


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Aug 6 2018 10:11am
Quote (Horford @ Aug 6 2018 09:41am)
>not a Russian government agent
>got grants from the RUSSIAN GOVERMENT

so the Kremlin was paying Kogan for perfectly benign reasons?


If I got a grant from the University of Minnesota to study social media datamining, does that make me a US government agent?
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