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Aug 5 2018 10:48am
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 5 2018 09:40am)
Again, case in point.


You are a victim of the true enemy of the people

but you are also a mule of misinformation and hold some responsibility for your cyber crop dusting of lies and fake news which infects vulnerably complacent minds like your own

repent good sir
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Aug 5 2018 10:51am
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You are a victim of the true enemy of the people

but you are also a mule of misinformation and hold some responsibility for your cyber crop dusting of lies and fake news which infects vulnerably complacent minds like your own

repent good sir




Honestly, I am not paying Beo to prove my point. He is doing this all on his own.
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Aug 5 2018 10:56am
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Honestly, I am not paying Beo to prove my point. He is doing this all on his own.


Making a point would require critical thought

something you have yet to show yourself to be capable of

You do not review evidence, you don't attempt objectivity, you lack the ability to question yourself enough to change your mind when you are wrong or may be wrong even when there are new or undeniable evidence and facts

You have no point, you just have posts
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Quote (Beowulf @ Aug 5 2018 12:56pm)
Making a point would require critical thought

something you have yet to show yourself to be capable of

You do not review evidence, you don't attempt objectivity, you lack the ability to question yourself enough to change your mind when you are wrong or may be wrong even when there are new or undeniable evidence and facts

You have no point, you just have posts




I couldn't find better examples if I paid think tanks to collect them.
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Aug 5 2018 11:05am
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 5 2018 09:59am)
I couldn't find better examples if I paid think tanks to collect them.


Let's be real here

the closest you'll ever get to a think tank is sitting in between a cereal box puzzle and the joke section of a reader's digest
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Aug 5 2018 11:07am
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 5 2018 10:59am)
I couldn't find better examples if I paid think tanks to collect them.


Thing is, you really aren't able to critically asses information, so by using a well known phrase without any appreciation for its context or ability to understand when it is being done to yourself you just prove Beo's point.
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Aug 5 2018 12:13pm
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/03/daca-trump-administration-court-judge-restart-order-722167

isn't something wrong with the judiciary if they're being used to set social policy instead of lawmakers?


this is seriously fucked up.

in general: why are sophisticated legal reasons necessary for a president to end a program via executive order which was created by another president via EO?

if Obama has the power to create somethng like DACA via EO, it should be a no-brainer in my eyes that Trump must have the same power to end it with an EO; no questions asked. :wallbash:
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 5 2018 01:13pm)
this is seriously fucked up.

in general: why are sophisticated legal reasons necessary for a president to end a program via executive order which was created by another president via EO?

if Obama has the power to create somethng like DACA via EO, it should be a no-brainer in my eyes that Trump must have the same power to end it with an EO; no questions asked. :wallbash:


Because there is a separation of powers.
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Thing is, you really aren't able to critically asses information, so by using a well known phrase without any appreciation for its context or ability to understand when it is being done to yourself you just prove Beo's point.




And... the other half of the dynamic duo.

I'll just let your wonderful sentence structure speak for itself.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Aug 2018 13:13)
this is seriously fucked up.

in general: why are sophisticated legal reasons necessary for a president to end a program via executive order which was created by another president via EO?

if Obama has the power to create somethng like DACA via EO, it should be a no-brainer in my eyes that Trump must have the same power to end it with an EO; no questions asked. :wallbash:


To my knowledge, Trump does have that power. Trump's plan was to let the program expire. A federal judge just ordered the program to be restarted. But Trump could also create an entirely new EO that ends the program.

That new EO could be challenged and held up by the courts, but Trump could pull the trigger nonetheless. The problem is Trump doesn't want to end DACA. He wants to use its impending expiration as leverage in budget appropriation talks regarding the wall.

The Democrats are refusing to engage. They are calling Trump's bluff. They know Trump won't write a new EO/memorandum ending DACA. But Trump could do it if he wanted to. The key problem for Trump is that an overwhelming majority of Americans don't want DACA recipients to leave the US.

As far as this particular judge's ruling, I agree that it's shaky. But I believe ordering a program to be restarted vs the power to end the program with a new EO/memorandum are two separate items. I could be wrong on that, but that's my impression.
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