d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate >
Poll > Trump 2024
Prev1221222223224225279Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
  Guests cannot view or vote in polls. Please register or login.
Member
Posts: 46,679
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 22,164.69
Jul 1 2024 09:05am
Worth noting that this basically follows exactly what I said in whatever the fuck thread we walked through these legal arguments originally

the court simply have no authority to second guess the motives of the president or else they are inherently usurping his decision making and deliberative process. That goes not just for his personal intent, but the whole of his counsel from advisors, and the courts can't pry into their thoughts or beliefs even if its offered. And of course, he's immune for any official actions, a definition that has to be taken at a wide lens or else the government simply cannot function. The supreme court just echoed everything I said except they didn't set the boundaries of what is official vs unofficial, because after all that wasn't yet argued at any of the lower courts so they can't make determinations on individual claims, but they sure set guidances and limitations that make the conclusions obvious.

From a separation of powers standpoint it should have all been abundantly clear and if anything the real danger from this case is the fact 3 liberal justices would be willing to tear down the entire foundation of the separation of powers and open the door to basically eliminating the position of president. Which of course flies absolutely in the face of their ardent defense of the chevron doctrine that had expanded executive powers and given the president wide latitude to redefine laws, given away by the courts in the 80s. All this kind of works to expose just how utterly schizophrenic decisions can be when guided by bitter partisan interest (no 'respectfully' in any dissenting opinion here) rather than judicial philosophy
Member
Posts: 52,310
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,404.67
Jul 1 2024 10:51am
Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Jul 2024 16:29)
The Court therefore remands to the District Court to determine in the first instance whether this alleged conduct is official or unofficial.

Testimony or private records of the President
or his advisers probing such conduct may not be admitted as evidence
at trial.

I don't really get this last paragraph. What does this mean/what is the intention here? Why should testimony of the president not be admissible evidence when determining whether the conduct in question was official or unofficial?
Member
Posts: 9,128
Joined: Feb 9 2022
Gold: 420.69
Warn: 10%
Jul 1 2024 11:33am
TRUMP 2024!
Member
Posts: 91,085
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,504.69
Jul 1 2024 11:54am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 1 2024 09:05am)
Worth noting that this basically follows exactly what I said in whatever the fuck thread we walked through these legal arguments originally

the court simply have no authority to second guess the motives of the president or else they are inherently usurping his decision making and deliberative process. That goes not just for his personal intent, but the whole of his counsel from advisors, and the courts can't pry into their thoughts or beliefs even if its offered. And of course, he's immune for any official actions, a definition that has to be taken at a wide lens or else the government simply cannot function. The supreme court just echoed everything I said except they didn't set the boundaries of what is official vs unofficial, because after all that wasn't yet argued at any of the lower courts so they can't make determinations on individual claims, but they sure set guidances and limitations that make the conclusions obvious.

From a separation of powers standpoint it should have all been abundantly clear and if anything the real danger from this case is the fact 3 liberal justices would be willing to tear down the entire foundation of the separation of powers and open the door to basically eliminating the position of president. Which of course flies absolutely in the face of their ardent defense of the chevron doctrine that had expanded executive powers and given the president wide latitude to redefine laws, given away by the courts in the 80s. All this kind of works to expose just how utterly schizophrenic decisions can be when guided by bitter partisan interest (no 'respectfully' in any dissenting opinion here) rather than judicial philosophy


the whole topic is funny, no sitting president has ever been charged for a crime afaik. and the only one who was going to be was Nixon before that was shut down (correctly).

so it's once again the liberalols placing their hopes on some unprecedented event to save them.
Member
Posts: 15,845
Joined: Jun 14 2012
Gold: 103,873.85
Jul 11 2024 05:40pm
Trump is going to stroll in vs joey.
Member
Posts: 9,128
Joined: Feb 9 2022
Gold: 420.69
Warn: 10%
Jul 12 2024 09:57am
TRUMP 2024!!!
Member
Posts: 14,043
Joined: Jul 19 2008
Gold: 0.00
Jul 12 2024 11:08am
We can hope right?
Member
Posts: 52,310
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,404.67
Jul 12 2024 03:54pm
Trump at Who Wants to be a Millionaire:





Biden's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMpwbPglkfM
Member
Posts: 46,679
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 22,164.69
Jul 13 2024 04:16pm
no details yet confirmable, within last 5 minutes

Trump rushed off-stage by secret service from his PA rally, gunshots heard on the video stream, everyone ducking as the shots ring out
not sure if attempted assassination or what
/e trump walked off stage of his own accord, but clear series of gunshots heard
https://x.com/randomeffect0/status/1812250194496393448

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 13 2024 04:18pm
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1221222223224225279Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll