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Jul 30 2018 09:53am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 30 2018 11:49am)
we've gone from "there was no collusion" to "collusion with russia is not a crime"
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399461-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime




No we haven't. He said Trump didn't collude AND collusion is not a crime anyhow.



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President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Monday dismissed the investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, saying that collusion is “not a crime.”

“I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime,” Giuliani said on “Fox & Friends.”

“Collusion is not a crime.”

The president’s attorney maintained that his client is “absolutely innocent” and said that the recently released tapes of conversations between Trump and his former lawyer Michael Cohen prove that the president “didn’t do anything wrong.”

Trump, who has not been formally accused of anything in special counsel Robert Mueller’s wide-ranging investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, has repeatedly dismissed the probe as a “witch hunt.”

He has also maintained that there was “no collusion.”


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Quote (EA7 @ Jul 30 2018 10:38am)
Sorry, I live in a first world country where the official language is ENGLISH, not Arabic or French.

But, given my 170 IQ, I could easily perfect my French to a level better than yours within a couple of months. Feels good to be the smartest .002% of the population.


yea, we could tell the very high iq by the /r/the_donald talking points
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Jul 30 2018 09:55am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 30 2018 11:49am)
we've gone from "there was no collusion" to "collusion with russia is not a crime"
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399461-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime



Both things were always true derp
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 30 2018 09:43am)
https://www.bringitwisconsin.com/do-i-have-right-photo-id

I really dont see the discrimination in those voter ID laws - they even allow expired documents for college students and native americans.


Thing is, the barrier needs to be proportional or smaller than the problem it would prevent.

Since requiring an ID only prevents in-person voter ID, which is a small fraction of an already miniscule pool of illegal votes, that means that virtually any barrier crosses the line.

Is it worth an extra barrier to stop an amount of illegally cast votes that will never affect an election even in the smallest town? Hard to make an argument that it is.



As for the more specific issue of discrimination, any barrier is inherently discrminatory if it requires time or travel to overcome since certain demographics lack transportation money and time at different rates. The question then becomes is the discrimination worth it to solve a problem? Since the problem is so small the barrier again needs to be incredibly small to be justified.

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Quote (Ghot @ Jul 30 2018 08:53am)
No we haven't. He said Trump didn't collude AND collusion is not a crime anyhow.


much like your "Russia didn't meddle" but "it would be a good thing even if they did" posts
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Jul 30 2018 09:58am
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 30 2018 11:49am)
we've gone from "there was no collusion" to "collusion with russia is not a crime"
[URL=http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399461-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime]http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399461-giuliani-collusion-is-not-a-crime[/URL]


we've been there a while now, Tucker Carlson and Darrell Issa, now Guiliani.
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Jul 30 2018 09:59am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 30 2018 10:43am)
https://www.bringitwisconsin.com/do-i-have-right-photo-id

I really dont see the discrimination in those voter ID laws - they even allow expired documents for college students and native americans.


of course you don't, at no point in time have you done any research about the criticisms of any of the narratives you've been fed by the echo chamber
a prerequisite for being a trump supporter ofc
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Thing is, the barrier needs to be proportional or smaller than the problem it would prevent.

Since requiring an ID only prevents in-person voter ID, which is a small fraction of an already miniscule pool of illegal votes, that means that virtually any barrier crosses the line.

Is it worth an extra barrier to stop an amount of illegally cast votes that will never affect an election even in the smallest town? Hard to make an argument that it is.



As for the more specific issue of discrimination, any barrier is inherently discrminatory if it requires time or travel to overcome since certain demographics lack transportation money and time at different rates. The question then becomes is the discrimination worth it to solve a problem?
Since the problem is so small the barrier again needs to be incredibly small to be justified.


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Jul 30 2018 10:00am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 30 2018 11:55am)
Thing is, the barrier needs to be proportional or smaller than the problem it would prevent.

Since requiring an ID only prevents in-person voter ID, which is a small fraction of an already miniscule pool of illegal votes, that means that virtually any barrier crosses the line.

Is it worth an extra barrier to stop an amount of illegally cast votes that will never affect an election even in the smallest town? Hard to make an argument that it is.



As for the more specific issue of discrimination, any barrier is inherently discrminatory if it requires time or travel to overcome since certain demographics lack transportation money and time at different rates. The question then becomes is the discrimination worth it to solve a problem? Since the problem is so small the barrier again needs to be incredibly small to be justified.




In Wisconsin, for example, you can get a FREE photo ID. And if even that is too difficult you can even get a temp ID (free) that's good for 180 days.

Point still is, there is absolutely no reason not to have voter ID laws, and to assume they discriminate, is to assume everyone who HAS voter ID is an idiot.


/e The REAL reason some ppl are against voter ID is that they are say... a criminal, an illegal alien, or just plain planning to cast more than one vote.

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Jul 30 2018 10:05am
How many "illegal voters" with some real proof please ?
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