i think the question YOU should ask yourself is if america gets the vaccine, will YOU people get it free of charge, so that everyone who needs it can get it without bankrupting themselves - or will this be just another chapter in late stage capitalism's "profits are more valuable than lives" book?

also, remember the story about trump trying to buy that german pharmaceutical company? his declared goal was to have a vaccine for america only (and 'america' to him is 'white christian america', as we all know by now), so my question is would YOU guys share it with the world?
china luckily has plenty of motivation to do so, some of which blackx has explained already. just to be clear, i'm not suggesting their government is more moral or humane, they certainly aren't, but for practical reasons i would be less concerned with them having the vaccine first to be honest...

China would be to WW3 what the USA was to WW2. To the victors go the spoils.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Mar 26 2020 04:56am

There's already a pair of governors (NY & NV) who've banned the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine for any treatment not approved by the FDA. I didn't know they were board certified physicians.

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1242567020673003520

Well the board certified physicians have been writing themselves and everyone they know prescriptions and hoarding them like toilet paper to the extent that people who control their lupus with this medicine are going under medicated or on waiting lists to get routine medications.

You have dentists and ophthalmic doctors prescribing malaria medicine to everyone they know under the flimsiest of pretenses. Pharmacists all over the United States are reporting this.

It is fortunate they are doing this (this command by the governor) These physicians hoarding these medicines is deplorable. This is every bit as bad as the insider trading those senators did, hoarding TP, etc.

The media is blaming trump for mentioning these medicines. This is bullshit because trump didn't make those individuals become unethical in their personal decision making.

Yes if I'm sick I will ask a friend to prescribe me some antibiotics to save me a trip to the doctor or ER. This is pretty normal. What is going on isnt normal.

You do not have to be an FDA certified to physician know that this is not OK.

Now doctors use medications for off label purposes all the time, But I don't think they're using malaria medications for things besides what they're meant for.

The order is stop stealing these medications. It probly didn't mention this on Tweets, because you lack context on the medium, but there are a lot of articles being written by pharmacists about this now.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 26 2020 05:52am

Can you blame them? If shit really hits the fan, they want to have a stash of this medicine for themselves, their family and close friends. What they're doing is basically a vote of no confidence in the system around them.

You also have physicians successfully treating people (in the link) with a regimen of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate. Hundreds of people who are presenting symptoms. Zero hospital admissions.

Its like oxycotin....you have this amazing technology to reasonably control a symptom that has previously been poorly controlled and people find ways to bypass the time release or the cost of them dictates that the user sell half of them etc....

Actors fuck it up. If these dudes who were successfully doing treatments werent hoarding them for friends and fam then they could keep doing the treatments.

There are diseases that these are evidence based treatments for, and physicians are creating a crisis among those stable people to hoard based in experimental medicine.

Santara, they could use them for treating lupus and covid-19 if they weren't stealing them. This isnt the governors fault. He doesn't have a closet full.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 26 2020 05:59am

yes, i did.

It's hard to calculate the amount of deaths. Say 30 million or so Spaniards contract the disease in order to kick in herd immunity. Assuming that people over 70 would be quarantined or banned from attending massive events, or at least highly encouraged to avoid contagion, and that the government would have a wider economic margin to invest in expanding public healthcare reach (since there wouldn't be an economic shut down).... the death toll would be big, but not overblown. And most importantly, the curve would be narrowed, rather than stretched, so the public healthcare collapse would not last to long, and the country's economy would be running at full power again in just a couple of months. Also, other measures could be taken, like isolating regions of Spain (while keeping their economies running as normal), in order to reduce the spread.

In any case, of course, the best approach would have been massive testing as soon as the first case was detected. But the huge mistake was letting the problem grow (even encouraging people to go to mass events like the women's march), only to later backtrack on the strategy.

We now know that the government was informed of the situation and the projected consequences well before the feminist rally. If they wanted to contain the problem, they should have acted then. If they wanted to go for herd immunity then they should have stuck to encouraging people to go on with their lives... which is what they were doing, until the day after the women's march, when they began implementing restrictions (shutting schools on the following day, and other restrictions followed, until a complete shutdown was declared 5 days later). At the end of the day, it seems that all they even cared about was being able to celebrate the feminist rally.





Yeah, ffs, that's a disgrace. But then again, La Línea de la Concepción is probably Spain's biggest shit-hole municipality. Next to Gibraltar, it's flooded with crime, gipsys and all sorts of mafias that operate drug traffic, weapon deals, animal fights, money laundering, illegal immigration and all sorts of shit that take place thanks to the government of Gibraltar, which likes to look the other way and allow a taxhaven that attracts all sorts of shady businesses. While you might have bad neighborhoods here and there, on a municipal level, La Línea is probably the worst place to live in Spain.

That being said, the way they treat the sick is a new low. Even if I am willing to accept avoidable deaths (while trying to keep these as low as possible), those that are sick deserve to be treated with respect and solidarity, not like lepers during the Middle Ages.

Probably. And a few months later, I'm sure the New Silk Road initiative would coincidentally flourish among the western world...