Traditionally, golf is played with clubs and in groups of four. Nine friends hitting the links with no clubs is an unusual approach to the game.

Oh, okay. So where are the investigations and unending lawfare for the other crooks? And friends of those crooks? Former advisors to those crooks? Friendly pizza parlor waiters who didn’t immediately go on Twitter and claim they spat on their pizza?

The crooks that did things you like are all 100% in the clear. The crook that did things almost 80 million Americans liked is the devil and everybody who supports him is a terrorist.

Pay attention to the doj and all of its investigations into the gop trumplicans.

40 subpoenas.

This post was edited by said_aouita on Sep 13 2022 05:31pm

I understand that is what is going on. What is your point?

pillow guy raided by the nazis
TUCKER: PEDO-HITLER RAIDS MIKE LINDELL
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wV6fAsnFC5mj/

There's no language in the statute which differentiates between incoming officials and former officials. Incoming officials can talk with counterparts, but they aren't supposed to engage in any sort of deal making, because we have one government at a time.

I think a lot of the problematic parts of the Russia investigation have more to do with the way the DOJ and federal agencies work, rather than people with an ulterior motive trying to take down Trump. DOJ/FBI have a job to investigate and prosecute people, not provide defenses for people, and they can be incompetent. That doesn't excuse any lack of due diligence(or clear examples of misconduct), but it's just reality.

But at the end of the day, the Russia investigation was founded with a proper predicate, there was good reason to investigate, and it revealed serious wrongdoing by Trump and those around him. When you step back from the right-wing noise, it's astonishing what was revealed, whether it be the Trump tower meeting expecting dirt on Hillary, the Moscow Tower deal with the penthouse for Putin, Manafort reaching out to hand over information to a Russian intelligence officer in the midst of the campaign, etc. But right-wing media did a great job overwhelming those damning facts.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 14 2022 02:10pm

There's nothing that makes the distinction of what the difference between 'deal making' and 'talking with counterparts' is. The Logan Act is as vague as it is old and defunct, and its easy to make an argument that any incoming administration opening diplomatic channels during a transition is inherently influencing the measures or conduct of foreign governments, or defeating measures of the prior administration if they had any competing foreign policy. I mean, its specifically the purpose of every incoming administration to establish a working diplomatic relationship with their counterparts when they do their pre-inauguration correspondence, which could easily be interpreted as violating the Logan Act. We've got prosecutors so creative and overreaching that a guy who committed a petty misdemeanor trespassing charge is being barred from office as engaging in insurrection, I'd say the Logan Act stretch would be pretty trivial by comparison

That whole spat over the Logan Act falls firmly into two traps
1. Its the kind of non-criminal political dispute that should be resolved civilly and has no reason to ever be in a courtroom
2. Its an extremely toxic breakdown in the ability of the FBI to exist alongside other agencies, completely destroying their working relationships

When the government is functioning, the White House and NSA and FBI should be able to cooperate on mundane matters of state so that we can catch actual criminals, prevent terrorist attacks, thwart the maneuvers of hostile foreign powers, etc. Instead we have an FBI weaponized against politicians, adversarial and usually breaking the law to try to persecute the people its supposed to be working with. We're not made safer as a nation when our top IC officials won't even talk to FBI agents unless under subpoena and with their lawyer present.

Why couldn't one of the options be "don't actively interfere in the ongoing matters of the current government"? If Obama wants to take a hard line with Israel in his remaining days, that's his prerogative. He can also deal with Russia as he wishes. The incoming administration is free to outline how they will govern, but they can't try to work around(and undermine) the current government. If you think otherwise, ask Congress to repeal the Logan Act. Until then, stop complaining.

Why should the first recourse for a diplomatic/political dispute over posturing, be prosecutorial? If lawfully elected incoming and outgoing administrations are in a petty slapfight over international diplomacy- let them resolve it by civil means. Legal vagueries don't need to be resolved. Fascists and despots and arsonists want to wield power to persecute rivals and destroy the tenuous civil spirit of our government. Sane people just want them to play nice and do their damn jobs. Cutthroat political point scoring shouldn't infect our nation's intelligence community and law enforcement apparatus. It starts at, but goes so far beyond, any cooperation between departments. We can't just have an adversarial FBI and DoJ overreaching with legal novelties to try to find any thin purchase to latch onto with prosecutions of political rivals and entrap anyone who talks to them, certainly not having the head of the FBI LARPing a Le Carre novel. These are the guys who are supposed to be keeping us safe from the terrorist boogeymen? Wonder how many 9/11's they'll prevent by seizing Mike Lindell's phone.

You asked a question. I replied.

Try to keep up, tiny grasshopper.