d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Coronavirus Thread
Prev1219220221222223910Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 49,898
Joined: Jun 19 2006
Gold: 3.88
Mar 26 2020 12:29am
Quote (excellence @ Mar 26 2020 04:40pm)
no lol


I mean we already know the doctor who blew the whistle on it was arrested and held in custody until he died from the virus.
Member
Posts: 105,153
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Mar 26 2020 12:46am














This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 26 2020 12:50am
Member
Posts: 43,761
Joined: Aug 27 2009
Gold: 63,142.89
Mar 26 2020 01:13am
If China had a vaccine (or if they developed one in the near future) would they share it with West?
Member
Posts: 55,374
Joined: Mar 6 2006
Gold: 220.48
Mar 26 2020 01:42am
Member
Posts: 30,165
Joined: Sep 10 2004
Gold: 0.00
Warn: 30%
Mar 26 2020 01:51am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Mar 2020 05:31)
The Northern European countries do NOT have democratic socialism, they have social democracy. This sounds like splitting hairs, but it's actually a huge difference!

In social democracies, like e.g. Sweden or Denmark, you have a capitalistic free market system with high taxes and a generous welfare state facilitating a large degree of redistribution.
In democratic socialism, the state owns the means of production and steers large parts of the economy. In contrast to Soviet-Union-style communism, the government figures responsible for this planning and steering process are still subject to democratic elections, at least in theory.


In particular, note that politicians like Bernie Sanders or AOC are indeed democratic socialists, they propagate a political and economic model which is significantly to the left of Sweden/Denmark/etc.!






A single payer system isnt necessary to achieve higher coverage and cost efficiency. Countries like the Netherlands, Germany or Austria have very successful healthcare system which arent single payer (specifically, what we have is "universal multi-payer"). In fact, single payer systems like the British NHS or the Australian Medicare have their own problems and disadvantages.


well, i'm certainly used to a baseline of dishonesty from you, but this is just incredible, even by your own standards. you know very well that this is complete BS, and not at all what sanders is advocating for - you're just spreading red scare propaganda at this point.

i mean, should i be surprised to see that kind of fearmongering from you? probably not, but it seems like you have given up even the pretense of arguing based on anything resembling facts and truths at this point...
Member
Posts: 17,581
Joined: Mar 5 2016
Gold: 27.45
Warn: 40%
Mar 26 2020 02:09am
https://www.axios.com/chloroquine-coronavirus-death-09c91a91-4fe7-472c-9de9-79b890aa8fff.html

IQ ova 150 in 'merica

natural selection >

This post was edited by Melatonina on Mar 26 2020 02:09am
Member
Posts: 33,772
Joined: May 9 2009
Gold: 3.33
Mar 26 2020 02:13am
Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 26 2020 08:09am)


did an american shag your mum and make you watch
Member
Posts: 54,209
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Mar 26 2020 03:30am
Quote (fender @ 26 Mar 2020 08:51)
well, i'm certainly used to a baseline of dishonesty from you, but this is just incredible, even by your own standards. you know very well that this is complete BS, and not at all what sanders is advocating for - you're just spreading red scare propaganda at this point.

i mean, should i be surprised to see that kind of fearmongering from you? probably not, but it seems like you have given up even the pretense of arguing based on anything resembling facts and truths at this point...


Lol, the state owning the means of production is the textbook definition of socialism, nothing wrong with that.

And while Bernie has not pushed for the nationalization of the entire economy, he has pushed policies which amount to the nationalization of sizeable shares. See, for example, the following articles:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationalization/index.html
https://mises.org/wire/bernie-sanderss-long-history-pushing-government-takeovers-private-markets
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-wants-to-nationalize-at-least-30-of-the-american-economy

But sure, me and everyone else, we're all just making this up. The idea is really bold that the guy who proudly calls himself a socialist might actually be, you know, a socialist, isnt it?
How misleading and dishonest of me.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 26 2020 03:31am
Member
Posts: 54,209
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Mar 26 2020 03:34am
Quote (Kayeto @ 26 Mar 2020 08:13)
If China had a vaccine (or if they developed one in the near future) would they share it with West?


Sure. The CCP needs constant and significant growth to justify its authoritarian rule and keep its people in line. And if the rest of the world has to shut its economies down because of coronavirus, that's hurting the very export-focused Chinese economy a ton.

And needless to say, coming up with a cure or vaccine would be tremendous PR for China and its political and social system. Their reputation around the world would jump up substantially.
Member
Posts: 30,165
Joined: Sep 10 2004
Gold: 0.00
Warn: 30%
Mar 26 2020 03:39am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Mar 2020 10:30)
Lol, the state owning the means of production is the textbook definition of socialism, nothing wrong with that.

And while Bernie has not pushed for the nationalization of the entire economy, he has pushed policies which amount to the nationalization of sizeable shares. See, for example, the following articles:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-climate-federal-electricity-production-110117
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/kfile-bernie-nationalization/index.html
https://mises.org/wire/bernie-sanderss-long-history-pushing-government-takeovers-private-markets
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-wants-to-nationalize-at-least-30-of-the-american-economy

But sure, me and everyone else, we're all just making this up. The idea that the guy who proudly calls himself a socialist might actually be, you know, a socialist, is really bold. How misleading and dishonest of me.


'everyone else' has NOT been dishonestly suggesting that sanders wants a state run ECONOMY, you hack.

your 'confusion' is based on the american tradition of scaremongering against 'socialism', and trying to smear anyone who wants to help the working class with that evil term. sanders used the qualifier 'democratic' to illustrate how he is NOT pushing for those dystopias that american propaganda uses to make people vote against their interest, but for a system that guarantees european citizens for example a whole lot of rights, protections, and benefits that americans can only dream of.

the thing is, you KNOW that, you did NOT grow up with that kind of propaganda, and still you perpetuate it and try to mislead people, such is your devotion to american right wing ideology. let that sink in for a moment, brownshirt...
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1219220221222223910Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll