Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 4 2021 09:50am)

No, I already said to you that even after 23 weeks it's a balance between women's rights vs the fetus's right.

Prior to 23 weeks: Absolute right to abortion. It's an object, not a person

After 23 weeks: Balancing between bodily autonomy and fetus right to life.

My personal opinion is that until abortion becomes effectively the same risk and procedure as a birth it should be legal. At a certain point there's very little difference between carrying a fetus to term and birthing, versus getting an abortion, so the burden on the woman's rights becomes lesser. Where we set the crossover point is where we should be having the debate, but those on the right aren't approaching this topic honestly so we are stuck on if it should be allowed at all.

Kind of like climate change. It took 50 years from the time it was known with near certainty it was happening for right-wingers to even acknowledge it.

Quote (fender @ Dec 4 2021 11:49am)

you KNOW what the best way to lower the number of abortions is, yet i only ever see you and your ilk advocate in favour of taking women's rights away, of measures that will disproportionately hurt poor people and minorities.

if "responsibility" was what you're really after, you'd advocate for comprehensive sex ed, and fight back against christian conservative "purity" / abstinence bullshit. if "preserving life and promoting the common good" was your goal, you'd support a system that protects and helps parents and children, not shames and abandons them immediately after birth.

ideologically blinded people tend to delude themselves, claiming they're coming from a place of compassion, but they ignore the bigger picture, the reality of situation, and the fact that even those (rape / incest victims / severe medical complications...) they would generously allow such an unthinkable cruelty (until the mistress gets pregnant), will be hurt in the process.

putting your personal feelings, morals, and religious convictions over the rights of women - modern christianity at its best. the western taliban are alive and well in the US...

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 4 2021 01:30pm)

Outlawing abortion is restoring women's rights, as about half of the unborn human beings killed are female, and the right to life clearly outweighs the right to sacrifice the unborn in the name of American individualism.

Also, doing evil so that good may come of it is something the Catholic Church stands against, so yes, I oppose promoting contraceptives in public schools.

Quote (IceMage @ 4 Dec 2021 19:30)

Outlawing abortion is restoring women's rights, as about half of the unborn human beings killed are female, and the right to life clearly outweighs the right to sacrifice the unborn in the name of American individualism.

Also, doing evil so that good may come of it is something the Catholic Church stands against, so yes, I oppose promoting contraceptives in public schools.

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 4 2021 10:30am)

Outlawing abortion is restoring women's rights, as about half of the unborn human beings killed are female, and the right to life clearly outweighs the right to sacrifice the unborn in the name of American individualism.

Also, doing evil so that good may come of it is something the Catholic Church stands against, so yes, I oppose promoting contraceptives in public schools.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 4 2021 02:07pm)

I find it a bit perplexing why you'd be so opposed to abortion while also so opposed to the very factors that decrease unintended pregnancy--and thus abortion.