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Weird inbreeding output imo

"It is reproached to the parents not to have prevented their sons, whom they knew the morbid thoughts and access to a weapon, to kill 4 people in his high school."


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the more information we get, the more this tragedy looks predictable and thus preventable. how americans have decided that this is an acceptable cost of almost unrestricted access to firearms really is beyond me...
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manslaughter-charges-against-michigan-shooters-parents-break-new-legal-ground-2021-12-04

reuters going over the legal case

Someone raised an interesting point to me today. Besides it being unprecedented to target the parents of a teen for a shooting in a state with no legal liability for leaving guns unlocked (as opposed to cases vs parents of toddlers with guns), and requiring prosecutors to show some kind of direct causal form of murder rather than mere negligence, its also a rather significant point that the prosecutors have chosen to charge the 15 year old as an adult. Haven't seen anyone else mention that.

If prosecutors are alleging that the 15 year old acted with the responsibility and moral capacity of an adult and therefore must be judged as fully and solely culpable for his actions, then how the fuck can you simultaneously argue that his parents hold legal liability for being custodians of a teen and therefore are culpable for his independent choices made without their involvement?
Its having your cake and eating it too. It would already be an extreme overreach for the prosecutors to charge these parents on this evidence, but they're also trying to charge a mutually exclusive theory of the crime to increase the punishment for the shooter.

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Blah, blah, cry.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
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Great, its the fucking retarded frog and nazi spamming a thread with oversized images so nobody will bother scrolling through it, yet again.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 4 2021 08:50am)
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manslaughter-charges-against-michigan-shooters-parents-break-new-legal-ground-2021-12-04

reuters going over the legal case

Someone raised an interesting point to me today. Besides it being unprecedented to target the parents of a teen for a shooting in a state with no legal liability for leaving guns unlocked (as opposed to cases vs parents of toddlers with guns), and requiring prosecutors to show some kind of direct causal form of murder rather than mere negligence, its also a rather significant point that the prosecutors have chosen to charge the 15 year old as an adult. Haven't seen anyone else mention that.

If prosecutors are alleging that the 15 year old acted with the responsibility and moral capacity of an adult and therefore must be judged as fully and solely culpable for his actions, then how the fuck can you simultaneously argue that his parents hold legal liability for being custodians of a teen and therefore are culpable for his independent choices made without their involvement?
Its having your cake and eating it too. It would already be an extreme overreach for the prosecutors to charge these parents on this evidence, but they're also trying to charge a mutually exclusive theory of the crime to increase the punishment for the shooter.


Depraved indifference would probably be the standard for charging the parents with involuntary manslaughter. I agree with the point that this kid really shouldn't be charged as an adult. While what he did is inexcusable and he should have consequences, he's also a really sick kid, and needs the help his parents were unwilling to provide him. Throwing his in adult prison for the rest of his life isn't going to "fix" him.
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Depraved indifference would probably be the standard for charging the parents with involuntary manslaughter. I agree with the point that this kid really shouldn't be charged as an adult. While what he did is inexcusable and he should have consequences, he's also a really sick kid, and needs the help his parents were unwilling to provide him. Throwing his in adult prison for the rest of his life isn't going to "fix" him.


They don't care about any of that.
It is a means to an end and nothing more.
To get what they REALLY care about.
That is taking your guns.

Not that the left care about that.
But have been manipulated to do so.
By those that do care if we have guns.

and that's the bottom line.
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Quote (Surfpunk @ Dec 4 2021 10:23am)
Depraved indifference would probably be the standard for charging the parents with involuntary manslaughter. I agree with the point that this kid really shouldn't be charged as an adult. While what he did is inexcusable and he should have consequences, he's also a really sick kid, and needs the help his parents were unwilling to provide him. Throwing his in adult prison for the rest of his life isn't going to "fix" him.


Its going to make me safer though. What would it take to “fix” him anyway?
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Its going to make me safer though. What would it take to “fix” him anyway?


Psychiatric help, medication, etc. Stuff the parents weren't willing to do, as evidenced by their unwillingness to pull him from school the day of the shooting. The school administration needs to be held accountable for their part in allowing him to return to class, as well.
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