I don't agree at all that generational wealth will be such a strong determinant of voting patterns. If anything, less generational wealth will result in redder voting, among whites anyway. The country's still in a transition phase, but look at the income of red and blue counties in the last election - Democrats are increasingly the party of rich white urbanites now. And as more Boomer *politicians* die/retire, that sentiment will become engraved within the actual GOP.

The educational requirements the Leftist demanded and enforced? The AI and machines the left wants to constantly create better and better? The average working class stiff, is a republican - with a good trade job.

Fancy that.

But what is the play for Republicans in the future. I don't think your platform can run on Americans first and that will fuel enough people. The current generations are growing up in a more multicultural cohort than ever. I think an image change is going to be necessary to swing that middle group of people that are on the fence and not loyal to either party.

Okay, but there's no arguing this isn't the future. We're talking about realities, and there's not enough trade jobs that everyone can become a tradesman / woman and if they did well I wouldn't being paying what I do to have someone fix an engine or build me a home. Supply and demand, as you said. That and the shortage of is not actually a significant number when you're looking at total potential employable people / labour market.

Reality is jobs are going to have education requirements and education costs a fortune that immediately puts you behind the 8 ball. You're in debt going into a job market where salary has not kept pace with living costs and you only fall further behind. No wonder these kids are looking for a quick dopamine hit from buying something, their future is bleak, from a Western standpoint.

This post was edited by SBD on Nov 22 2021 04:17pm

There's a shortage of tradesman in my area. A BIG shortage. Big metropolitan area.


But do you know what the most common degree in colleges and universities is for the last decade or so? Liberal Arts. Meanwhile, the guys making 50-100k a year, doing tradeswork? Yea, they have a house, two cars, a couple of kids, a boat, even. There is a shortage of TRADESMEN. But the modern kidos don't want to do any sort of even remotely dirty work. A starting plumber (new plumbing, new construction, clean work,) is 35-40k. More than most of those liberal arts kids make doing whatever part time work they can find at the coffee shop, or book shop, or whatever it is they do instead of getting down and hustling for a better job. They think it will just land in their lap.

You're just ranting and not providing any actual points. The reason those guys are making what they make is because as you said no one wants to do it. So if you're suggesting these lazy people as you have deemed them all flood into those jobs suddenly the tradesman will be making 30K a year and living off food coupons.

Don't get me wrong. I don't have a solution either.

This post was edited by SBD on Nov 22 2021 04:27pm

Well, at the moment - guess what.

There's still a shortage of tradesmen in my large metropolitan area. Everything from plumbers, to electricians, to carpenters, and carpet layers, to general contractors. My actual point - I live, and work, in the environment. I see it every day. I'm currently paying inflated prices for construction because of it.

So, that's my actual point. K thanks. Also 30K a year is still better than most baristas and mcdonalds workers with a liberal arts degree.

You also boasted wages that are well beyond average and are outliers, while I didnt initially call you on it it looked fishy. After looking up employment stats from a few different sources it appears the average tradesmen salary is in the 30K range.

I am sure some general contractors are better, just like any job you have high earners but the averages tell the tale.

The average tradesman salary is $30,466 per year, or $14.65 per hour, in the United States. People on the lower end of that spectrum, the bottom 10% to be exact, make roughly $24,000 a year, while the top 10% makes $38,000. As most things go, location can be critical. Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Washington provide the highest tradesman salaries.

Guess what I'm not dealing with human shit for 30K a year either!

Some 2021 figures are boasting as high as 44K for averages but its likely cyclical, the housing market has been on fire, so recent figures could also be skewed as we are moving along the peak for housing.

This post was edited by SBD on Nov 22 2021 04:43pm

And that doesn't change my argument about supply and demand at all.


There's more than just plumbing trades tho. Electricians, carpenters, 'finishing' plumbers, tile work, carpeting/vinyl, etc...but my point is about my particular area, a major metro area. Now, if we look deeper into the statistics, the best paying trade jobs, are in BLUE states. Which have a shortage of tradesfolk.


Because left liberal arts degrees don't get good jobs, and they are to dumb, and lazy, and spoiled, to work harder jobs than serving coffee.

You might have some deep-seated hatred that is clouding your vision. I think it's only like 11% of post secondary attendees go for a liberal arts degree. I could be wrong here and using a Canadian statistic, its been a long time since this topic has been argued over.

This post was edited by SBD on Nov 22 2021 04:57pm