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Aug 17 2021 11:40am
Quote (lodd222 @ 15 Aug 2021 21:41)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=racmy7Y9P4M

"It's the Parasite Eve
Got a feeling in your stomach
'Cause you know that it's coming for ya

When we forget the infection
Will we remember the lesson?

I heard they need better signal
Put chip and pins in the needles
Quarantine all of those secrets

In that black hole you call a brain before it's too late".

https://www.biospace.com/article/data-supports-use-of-anti-parasitic-drug-ivermectin-in-covid-19-patients-study-shows/

"Mark 9:44 where ‘THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2013:16-17&version=KJV


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Aug 17 2021 11:48am
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Aug 17 2021 12:14pm
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We got bin Laden and eliminated al Qaeda from the country.

We accomplished our goal a long time ago and then just kind of meandered under the guise of building up the country.

We failed at that goal absolutely. That failure is spread across 3 or 4 administrations


300k Afghan military fighters laid down their arms and didnt even fire shots as the 50-75k Taliban fighters approached.

either we failed to train them at all, or they always intended to just make us think they'd fight but never intended to. what an utter failure.
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Aug 17 2021 12:14pm
Quote (excellence @ Aug 17 2021 07:14am)
i know lying comes naturally for politicians but it seems even more second nature for political consultants or whatever it is that you do

kamala said she drew up the plans for biden. we should start there :lol:



You’re right. Trump worked out a May exit plan with the Taliban and Biden extended it to September.

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Aug 17 2021 12:23pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 17 2021 12:06pm)
https://theconversation.com/the-world-must-not-look-away-as-the-taliban-sexually-enslaves-women-and-girls-165426

Pretty sure the world is going to look away on this one again, it's just women and girls.

Also, hot take on taliban victory from socialists
https://archive.is/JDTEu

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How to fight back

The UN must now act decisively to prevent further atrocities against women in Afghanistan.

I propose four policy actions for the international community to bring about sustainable peace. They’re guided by Resolution 1820 that underscores the importance of including women as equal participants in the peace process and condemns all forms of gendered violence against civilians in armed conflict:

Calling for an immediate ceasefire to ensure the peace process can proceed in good faith.

Ensuring that women’s rights — enshrined in Afghanistan’s Constitution, national legislation and international law — are respected.

Insisting that peace negotiations continue with meaningful participation of Afghan women. Currently, there are only four women peace negotiators on the Afghan government’s team and none on the Taliban’s.

Lifting sanctions against the Taliban must be conditional on their commitment to uphold women’s rights. The European Union and the United States, currently the largest donors to Afghanistan, must make aid conditional upon women’s rights and their access to education and employment.


This is why it's impossible to take internationalists seriously.

The Taliban has won a total victory. There's no ceasefire, no leverage, no Afghani constitution worth the paper it is written on. There won't be any peace negotiations, and women wouldn't be involved if there were. The author is living in a fantasy world where his moral outrage matters. To paraphrase Mao, power is found at the barrel end of a gun.
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Aug 17 2021 12:28pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 16 2021 11:56pm)
Defense contractors directly manipulating our government to increase their bottom line isn't dumb in the slightest. It's basic undeniable fact.

They do it in plain sight. It's basically legal to bribe our politicians.

What planet are you living on?


Lobbyists everywhere curry favor and try to manipulate laws to their advantage. Lockheed Martin has successfully wasted trillions of tax payer dollars. But the notion that defense contractors engineered the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they're in de facto control of the US government, is a really dumb take on par with 9/11 truthers.
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Aug 17 2021 12:49pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 17 2021 11:14am)
300k Afghan military fighters laid down their arms and didnt even fire shots as the 50-75k Taliban fighters approached.

either we failed to train them at all, or they always intended to just make us think they'd fight but never intended to. what an utter failure.


It's a failure to understand the people. The Taliban made deals with local officials and we were completely unaware of the situation or knew about it and didn't plan properly. Either way, it's not a great look for us and I'm not sure which is worse given that we plan to still run counter-terrorism operations.

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This is why it's impossible to take internationalists seriously.

The Taliban has won a total victory. There's no ceasefire, no leverage, no Afghani constitution worth the paper it is written on. There won't be any peace negotiations, and women wouldn't be involved if there were. The author is living in a fantasy world where his moral outrage matters. To paraphrase Mao, power is found at the barrel end of a gun.


I think internationalism can work in some scenarios but Afghanistan isn't one of them. There are people in other places of the world that are treated/will be treated far worse. It's a tough pill to swallow but these are the consequences of us leaving. John Bolton and George W Bush are the only true feminists.
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Aug 17 2021 12:50pm
The best solution to the entire Middle East is to give the PKK unlimited funds and weapons and let them do whatever they want with no oversight.
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Aug 17 2021 01:08pm
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Lobbyists everywhere curry favor and try to manipulate laws to their advantage. Lockheed Martin has successfully wasted trillions of tax payer dollars. But the notion that defense contractors engineered the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they're in de facto control of the US government, is a really dumb take on par with 9/11 truthers.


the fact that you have to strawman "manipulating the government" as outright "engineering wars" illustrates how dishonest you are, in order to downplay the influence (not outright "control" - another strawman of yours) of defence contractors on american foreign policy.

the underlying conflicts existed (massive credit to the british empire btw, who never seem to get the credit they deserve for the mess), 9/11 did happen (as a "retaliation" for previous american meddling and nation building efforts in the middle east), the will to retaliate by a significant part of the american people (amplified by mass media ofc)... of course those things weren't created out of whole cloth by lockheed martin / raytheon... but literally no one is claiming that. it is, however, extremely gullible to pretend that what eisenhower already warned about, and what has become a FACT of american politics, was just your average "currying of favours", as if that made it acceptable or even inevitable. it's not, and someone who genuinely opposes war would not try to normalise it...



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