Quote (fender @ Feb 6 2020 04:52pm)
that's funny, because when i replied to your passionate advocacy for another establishment centrist candidate, by pointing out that is backfired massively last time, you acted like that had nothing to do with her uninspiring establishment policies (and no, the fact that you didn't use those exact same words, and tried to be funny while saying it, does not mean that hasn't clearly been your core message - no strawmanning required).
the fact that you consistently dodge the fact that this time around, every candidate at least pretends to favour progressive policies (that you advise democrats to stay away from in order to win the elections - very reminiscent of conservative msm pundits trying to pick their ideal opponent generously offering solutions on how to beat them), further illustrates that those suggestions aren't really half as outlandish or radical as establishment shills are trying to suggest, and actually have broad public support.
speaking of which, to support my point that her textbook establishment policies, without any real vision or change, were a massive and central detriment to her campaign, let me give you a couple of quotes:
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You keep taking whatever i say and just running with it to "prove a point". her policies or lack of change played a role, it just wasnt near the top of the list of issues, that were all major issues, for why she lost.
think of it this way, maybe this time you'll listen instead of arguing against a strawman u created when i made a joke.
Hillary called for protections for women in the workplace and elsewhere, she was met with "you didnt protect those women that worked with your husband, you tried to ruin them for sleeping with him."
Hillary called for criminal justice reform, she was met with "you're just as responsible as anyone for the terrible war on crime, with past statements like calling black men super predators."
translation: even if she was in support of the right policies for the democratic public, her personal conduct and record stood above the policy to condemn her.
the reason her status quo policy was still important in her losing, especially on issues like healthcare, was it drove out some Bernie type voters. some stayed home, but i think this number is smaller than the number of centrist minded people who stayed home or voted trump. when i made my list i tried to at least apply mental math, rather than just feelings.
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