Any of the dreamers who can prove they maintain employment , have served in the US Military or have obtained college degree or vocational training and have no serious criminal history should be given a path towards citizenship.

to discourage foreigners from coming to the country illegally in the future. if the dreamers are granted citizenship, the criminal action of their parents of illegally entering the country gets retroactively rewarded.

it would mean that breaking american law and borders was, in hindsight, the right move for them since they, by doing so, have secured a brighter future for their children.

little bit of 2 and 3 for me



It's just moral cowardice to allow someone to serve in the military and not be willing to grant them citizenship.

This post was edited by sir_lance_bb on Sep 14 2017 08:49am

they should follow the same procedure towards citizenship as every other legal immigrant. what I'm against is giving them a shortpass, thats what I meant. I dont want them to get citizenship out of the box.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 14 2017 08:49am

They've grown up in the United States and have contributed to and been apart of the American culture. They are already Americans in every way you can draw it up, just not in writing.

then it should be no big issue for them to walk the same path to citizenship as every other legal immigrant.


but granting them citizenship directly would mean that the crime committed by their parents gets rewarded, which would incentivize future illegal immigration and all the trouble it brings with it.

The issue here isn't the people coming m8. The people at fault for this issue is the employers willing to employ illegal immigrants.

You just seem to be hell bent on principle when the reality is that all being uncompromising on this issue does is allow the negative effects of immigration to continue while at the same time hold back people who would serve no harm and potential benefit to be given a path to citizenship.

You can't commit real "crimes" when you are a minor and almost all crimes you do before 18 are forgiven and won't show up on a record. You can use the same logic and say that they really aren't "illegal" and not criminal since they didn't do this at an adult.

This post was edited by sir_lance_bb on Sep 14 2017 08:58am

shut upppppppp.

Corruption of blood is banned in the Constitution. I dont see this argument made when talking about getting debt from your parents.

You are not guilty of your parents crimes in the United States. We do not have multi-generation criminal punishments.




This is a war on American families.

This post was edited by Skinned on Sep 14 2017 02:10pm

they are not guilty of their parents crimes. of course not. but it seems logical and instrumental to me that we should look for a way of dealing with the dreamer situation which doesnt reward this criminal behaviour of their parents or encourages a repeat of such behavior by future immigrants.

on top of that, it is absolutely normal that children have to bear the consequences for the decisions their parents make.
daddy grew a gambling addiction and took a loan on the house? tough luck, the entire family including the children just lost their home.
the parents cant get along and file for divorce? the kids will suffer form it just as much if not more than their parents.
mommy called her boss a bitch and got fired? tough luck, no more private school and piano classes for the kid.

the parents of the dreamers made a bad decision that we definitely dont want to encourage. I dont see the moral problem when this bad decision made by the parents has adverse effects on the children. granting them a permanent residency permit, but without voting rights or the right to bring their families to the USA, seems gracious enough to me.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 14 2017 03:08pm