Quote (Vivienne @ 3 Jan 2014 00:12)

Because the very definition of the word is 'without theism' not 'against theism'

Has anyone accused someone who is asexual of not believing sex exists? Someone who is amoral of not believing morals exist? It is possible tthatthey could but it is not a requirement that they do.

Only in atheism is this somehow implied by people. It's ridiculous... and it's only used because people who wish to argue against atheism know that an assertion on the nature of the divine is an indefensible position in any argument. Though somehow they often fail to apply that same logic to the absurdity of claiming that God definitely does exist and not only that but that he is their own particular version of god, Judeo Christian, Dharmic whatever...

Atheism is 'without god'

Antitheism is 'against god'

So when we are talking about belief an atheist is without belief in god, an antitheist is against the idea that god exists and as such believes the opposite.

to be an Atheist it is only a requirement that you be 'without god', that is you make no positive assertions about god's existence in one form or another. You can also be antitheistic, because you are not making a positive assertion on the nature of the divine but only a negative one i.e. 'god does not exist' You can also be agnostic because you are not making a positive assertion on the nature of god, you can still be positive on the sittuation i.e' I believe a god or gods possibly exist' but you cannot make an assertion i.e. 'God definitely exists' and still be an atheist.

To be an antitheist it is required that you believe there is no god. That is you make a negative assertion on the nature of the divine i.e. 'God does not exist'.


I don't know if I can explain this any better so I  hope that anyone reading this takes the time to study it and let it sink in because I sure as shit don't wanna see another 20 pages wasted on this stupid fucking argument again.

Quote (Scaly @ Sep 24 2014 02:22pm)

invalid ideologies.

Quote (Skinned @ 24 Sep 2014 19:34)

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I can't say it any better than that dead, famous, brilliant guy.

It is all passion disguised.  And that is okay.

Quote (Scaly @ Sep 24 2014 02:58pm)

It's not ok... not when people have a passion for oppression, ignorance, bigotry and lies.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 24 2014 07:56pm)

just did

grow up

not interested in playing philosophical games of "oh you can't know anything for certain" when you're not even willing to apply that logic to your own beliefs

Quote (dro94 @ Sep 24 2014 03:03pm)

i meant to say that no living person that say whether god is real or not *with any credibility*

so there goes yours

Quote (duffman316 @ 24 Sep 2014 20:06)

i'd agree with you on that

and in the absence of evidence to support anything the sensible default position is to not assume anything on said subject matter and go about your life normally

anything less is irrational

Quote (Voyaging @ Sep 24 2014 03:23pm)

The word "atheism" has multiple relevant and frequently used definitions... nothing irks me more than telling someone their definition of a word is "wrong", especially a word as ambiguous as atheism.

Sometimes it means lack of belief in a deity.

Sometimes it means belief there are no deities.

Neither is more correct than the other.

Quote (Voyaging @ 24 Sep 2014 20:23)

The word "atheism" has multiple relevant and frequently used definitions... nothing irks me more than telling someone their definition of a word is "wrong", especially a word as ambiguous as atheism.

Sometimes it means lack of belief in a deity.

Sometimes it means belief there are no deities.

Neither is more correct than the other.