Logical fallacy, your premises don't logically lead to your conclusion.

Something does not require a cause to exist, it requires a cause to BEGIN to exist.

Your arguments are clearly nonsensical, and many others have already pointed out that the mere existence of matter does not imply its creation out of nothing any more than the mere existence of god implies god's creation out of nothing.
If god can exist forever, why can't matter? There are no laws of science to be broken by allowing for eternal existence of the universe, in one way or another, without a starting point. Perhaps the Big Bang singularity has existed always, or was at one point in a different state. Perhaps the universe goes through some sort of cycles, where it expands and then contracts again, only to explode outward, forever and ever for reasons we just haven't figured out and possibly never will.

Besides, our "laws" of science are descriptive, not prescriptive. Matter doesn't obey our laws, our laws just describe what we see the best way we can. Maybe matter can be created or destroyed under circumstances we simply never encountered before. As we learn more about antimatter and quantum physics, maybe these laws will follow the path of Newton's gravity - "good enough" for most situations, but not all. At one point people used god to explain the existence of lightning and wind, now you are using god to explain the existence of matter and energy. It's an argument from ignorance, and it's a sad, sad thing.

But even all of that aside, what exactly makes you think that this "creator" is the Christian god? Why not Allah? Pretty sure he has always existed and created the universe too. How about Zeus? Ra? Vishnu? FSM?

there is no heaven/hell

but there is a continuation of life after the body death.

nn religion or to believing in it, it is simply that way.

Logically, IF matter and energy requires a cause to BEGIN to exist, it requires a cause to exist in the first place, therefore, it is impossible for matter and energy to exist, yet they do.

This video explains why the Christian God is the One and Only True and Living God and not Islam:


http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=J9CF9FNU


Islam is easily disprovable. Islam is based upon the Koran. The Bible was written hundreds of years before the Koran and by the eyewitnesses to the events. The Bible is supported by secular history, church history, science and othewise. The Koran contradicts secular history and the bible (eyewitness testimony). It was written by one man, mohammad who twisted up the biblical stories to make his own religion. He murdered thousands of Christians and forced thousands to convert or die.

No dude, this is not true! I just said that, my God.



It's people like you who make Christians look bad.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Apr 8 2012 04:39pm

My response is in bold.

IMO, religion was just made up by people who can't fathom their own existence. The "bible" was simply made up and written by one or more of these people. There is presicely no proof that an all-mighty being exists. If this "god" did exist, then we would all be perfect beings, and what a terrible existence that would be. Science, on the other, hand, we can see happening right in front of us. There is no such thing as a "perfect" being because, if there is, how did something created by this "god" turn into everything that embodies what makes us so imperfect, in this case, the "devil"? Put simply, there is much more proof of our laws of physics then there is that an all-mighty being actually exists.

Now that is settled....

The Cosmological Argument for the existence of God:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D776LWNX


The Design Argument for the existence of God:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=J99CMCNU


The Moral Argument for the existence of God:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D7K7WPNX