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Oct 8 2023 12:16pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 8 2023 11:12am)
Long term solution would probably be the dissolution of the state of Israel, maybe a western country would be willing to create a new homeland for the Jewish people on their land. Doubt that will happen though so probably endless conflict until the middle east gets glassed.

DMZ may be logical but if logic ruled we wouldn't have had two previous world wars.


0% chance Israel, Jews, Christians, or Americans would agree with Israel losing 'the holy land' at this point
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Oct 8 2023 12:20pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Oct 8 2023 10:29am)
We need a team Israel, team Palestine poll fosho.

Is anyone team Palestine that isn’t Muslim?


Why can't one be supportive of both the Palestinians and the Israelis?
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Oct 8 2023 12:22pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 8 Oct 2023 20:12)
Long term solution would probably be the dissolution of the state of Israel, maybe a western country would be willing to create a new homeland for the Jewish people on their land. Doubt that will happen though so probably endless conflict until the middle east gets glassed.

DMZ may be logical but if logic ruled we wouldn't have had two previous world wars.


Soviets created JAO in 1928 as a part of an effort to colonize vast nothingness of Siberia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
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Oct 8 2023 12:26pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 8 2023 03:16pm)
0% chance Israel, Jews, Christians, or Americans would agree with Israel losing 'the holy land' at this point


Yeah don't see it happening

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Soviets created JAO in 1928 as a part of an effort to colonize vast nothingness of Siberia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast


Oh cool, had never heard of this.
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Oct 8 2023 12:31pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 8 Oct 2023 20:26)
Oh cool, had never heard of this.


Yeah exactly. It didn’t really work out.

USSR turned massively antisemitic when kibbutz didn’t want to spread the gospel of communism after USSR recognized Israel (how dare they). Most of the Jews in JAO fled to Israel, especially after USSR collapsed.

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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 8 2023 03:31pm)
Yeah exactly. It didn’t really work out.

USSR turned massively antisemitic when kibutz didn’t want to spread the gospel of communism after USSR recognized Israel (how dare they). Most of the Jews in JAO fled to Israel, especially after USSR collapsed.


Not exactly the promised land I suppose.

I think Britain is the fair choice, already has infrastructure and everything, nicer weather than Siberia (barely)

They could honor their promises to the Jews and the Arabs all in one go.
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Oct 8 2023 12:43pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 8 Oct 2023 20:41)
Not exactly the promised land I suppose.

I think Britain is the fair choice, already has infrastructure and everything, nicer weather than Siberia (barely)

They could honor their promises to the Jews and the Arabs all in one go.


The prospect of resettling millions is unprecedented and unrealistic in my opinion.
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Oct 8 2023 12:43pm
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 8 2023 01:54pm)
Well then we are unfortunately failing as species if the main tool we have to solve arguments is bombing each other back to stone age.


The game of RISK ends when there's a single victor.
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Quote (bogie160 @ 8 Oct 2023 20:43)
The game of RISK ends when there's a single victor.


Or you go REEEE and flip the board.
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Oct 8 2023 12:45pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 8 2023 12:57pm)
What does a long term solution look like? There cannot be a two state solution after this, obviously. Gazans can't be expelled, where would they go? Cant fit 2 million in the Sinai. I think the DMZ is the logical outcome. Maybe the transfer of utility responsibilities to egypt and palestinians. That can work for Gaza, not the west bank


I think this is an incomplete view

Israeli wants them to leave, Netanyahu has been clear on this and reiterated it again in the last few days

The issue is when you’re born in the Gaza, you’re stuck in hell. Can’t go to Israel and can’t go to Egypt.

Your option to leave is to apply for asylum and fair play the percentages are decent if you are going this route.

Hamas has been a gigantic deterrent for asylum seekers. Women are not allowed to seek asylum through backwards law unless you have a spouse. Well if you’re widowed with kids you’re SOL. If you do leave you forfeit ALL your possessions to Hamas. It’s a difficult situation if you’re born into this hell hole.

What UN can do is assist those civilians who only want to live out of hell and to willing countries. Out of the 2 million, not all will want to leave and probably at best half. Last year alone ~90k Palestinians successfully left. 1 mill with global effort vs ~100k with no effort seems plausible. It will also be longer term cheaper. With coordinated efforts you can save a lot of lives this way.

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