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May 1 2023 11:57am
Quote (beanbag @ Apr 30 2023 11:42am)
I already explained it to you, but it seems you need it broken down further. She uses ultranationalist rhetoric, and extremely xenophobic with her stance on immigration. She is a member of the Conservative Tory party, which has been in power for almost thirteen years. The same Tory party which saw fit to leave the European Union in a boneheaded isolationist move which has demonstrably caused both short term and long term damage to the country's standing. The same Tory party that is actively attempting to privatize the NHS, which has been around since after WWII ended.

Ultranationalist. Xenophobic. Massive push to privatize government institutions.

Fascism.


What ultranationalist rhetoric is she employing? Is she more or less nationalist that Churchhill? Given that Churchhill is not considered a fascist, it would seem obvious that nationalists and fascists are not synonymous.

Suella Braverman is of Indian origin, it sounds incredible to assert that she conceives of a racial nation-state in the extreme sort of way that Mussolini did. In fact, it sounds ridiculous. What you seem to be saying generally is that concerns re: immigration are necessarily fascist. That's a ludicrous thing to say.

Privatizing the NHS is really neither here nor there when it comes to fascism. The NHS is clearly a failing institution, and it no doubt needs dramatic reform, but insofar as fascism has an economic philosophy, it seeks to subordinate corporate power under the control of the state. Fascism in economic terms tends to be a centrist ideology, because the fascist does not think in ideological terms of worker exploitation versus the benefits of freely allocated capital. The fascist is an economic utilitarian who seeks to maximize all resources of the state in pursuit of national renewal.

Finally, fascism is by definition an anti-conservative and anti-liberal ideology. It seeks the destruction of parliamentary democracy and the establishment of a national dictatorship. Can you point to a few examples that illustrate that Suella Braverman is seeking the establishment of a national police state?
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May 1 2023 01:34pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 1 2023 08:51pm)
Woke "progressives" that loot burn and murder is a good example of far left extremism


You think blm are mostly made up of "woke progressives"? id put half the rioters down as gang members myself.
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May 1 2023 01:40pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 1 2023 09:34pm)
You think blm are mostly made up of "woke progressives"? id put half the rioters down as gang members myself.


Even if so, doesn't change the fact that woke progressives love that stuff and burning down your own city is pretty retarded if you ask me.

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May 1 2023 01:53pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 1 2023 12:57pm)
What ultranationalist rhetoric is she employing? Is she more or less nationalist that Churchhill? Given that Churchhill is not considered a fascist, it would seem obvious that nationalists and fascists are not synonymous.

Suella Braverman is of Indian origin, it sounds incredible to assert that she conceives of a racial nation-state in the extreme sort of way that Mussolini did. In fact, it sounds ridiculous. What you seem to be saying generally is that concerns re: immigration are necessarily fascist. That's a ludicrous thing to say.

Privatizing the NHS is really neither here nor there when it comes to fascism. The NHS is clearly a failing institution, and it no doubt needs dramatic reform, but insofar as fascism has an economic philosophy, it seeks to subordinate corporate power under the control of the state. Fascism in economic terms tends to be a centrist ideology, because the fascist does not think in ideological terms of worker exploitation versus the benefits of freely allocated capital. The fascist is an economic utilitarian who seeks to maximize all resources of the state in pursuit of national renewal.

Finally, fascism is by definition an anti-conservative and anti-liberal ideology. It seeks the destruction of parliamentary democracy and the establishment of a national dictatorship. Can you point to a few examples that illustrate that Suella Braverman is seeking the establishment of a national police state?


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-home-secretary-dolls-essex-pub-rishi-sunak-racist-rhetoric-grooming-gangs-b1074141.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/12/tory-peer-warsi-accuses-suella-braverman-racist-rhetoric-grooming-gangs

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/racist-bigot-tory-backlash-grows-over-braverman-s-demeaning-remarks-67080

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/26/suella-braverman-small-boat-arrivals-have-values-at-odds-with-our-country

Also with regards to your misunderstanding of the relation of fascism and privatization, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism#:~:text=Fascist%20privatization%20policies%20were%20driven,scale%20privatizations%20in%20modern%20times.
https://cadmus.eui.eu/handle/1814/12319

Feel free to educate yourself.

The isolationist and anti-immigration strategy of Brexit has done perhaps irreparable damage to the NHS, and seeing as how the Tory party has had their thumbs on the scale for over a decade, it would seem that more Conservative economic strategies are a complete failure. Shocker.

This post was edited by beanbag on May 1 2023 01:55pm
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May 1 2023 01:58pm
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She described a “predominance of certain ethnic groups – and I say British Pakistani males – who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values, who see women in a demeaned and illegitimate way and pursue an outdated and frankly heinous approach in terms of the way they behave”.


the horror
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May 1 2023 02:18pm
Thread on Crowder devolves into an argument about what a British official said about Pakistani men? lol wtf
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May 1 2023 02:34pm
Quote (beanbag @ May 1 2023 05:29am)
Anyone slightly left of Mussolini would be considered far left by Djunior. Dude consistently stans Putin in another thread.


the left went off the leftie cliff
Quote (thesnipa @ May 1 2023 06:55am)
If this clip came from post-partum and they were both sleep deprived and going nuts, yup. 100%, been there done that.

smoking a cigar while demanding your wife who's 8 months pregnant cleans the house and handles harmful chemicals, so that she can be worthy of your love? nah.

i'm not going to write up a list of unwritten rules for lines you can't cross. but this doesn't pass the smell test, even in the "this is the worst moment and it just happened to be caught on camera".

as to why people view crowder as a moralist, it's because crowder told everyone he's a moralist. he enters comedy into his shows, parody even, but he's the one who put himself on a moral highground.


the left claim moral high ground all the time


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May 1 2023 02:39pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 1 2023 01:18pm)
Thread on Crowder devolves into an argument about what a British official said about Pakistani men? lol wtf


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May 1 2023 03:22pm
Quote (Djunior @ May 1 2023 12:35am)
You must be left of the extreme left


americans really have no idea what "the left" is, that is made worse by the fact that you maga hogs throw it around so loosely nowadays
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May 1 2023 03:25pm
Quote (gnarjay @ May 1 2023 02:22pm)
americans really have no idea what "the left" is, that is made worse by the fact that you maga hogs throw it around so loosely nowadays


The melt down of these guys if some actual real communism got put into American politics.. Not just wealth distribution debates.
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