There was no need to retroactively do so. Advisory remember?

If the pro brexit side had just been honest about it they would have responded with "were gonna draw up a specific plan now to be voted on, then we'll vote on that" instead of "FUCK YEAH BREXIT. NOW IM RETIRING IN SHAME, BUT DONT WORRY I BROKE THE STEARING WHEEL"

I dont get why people like the EU so much. Its politicians using generally nice things for europe like free trade as a lure for political control.

Honest question to Thor and Saucisson - why is the EU preferable to a europe that simply has free trade (what the EU was originally advertised as to a lot of people).

its not a weak argument, its a fact
if you do not use your right to participate you have to deal with the decisions other people make
thats true for any election or referendum in any democratic state

i do agree however, that this whole thing has been a mess and there were no preparations
why? obviously because nobody in charge made a plan for this scenario and that goes for both sides
most on the "leave" side had no idea how complex leaving the EU would be
cameron and his remainers also fucked up, for example when they failed to inform the public about the negotiations and the deal they had made for the future EU-UK relationship

if you look that one up its actually better than the shit may is presenting right now

the one sided arguments for another vote are getting old by the way, yes its valid to say that there was no brexit plan and therefore not enough information for voters
at the same time the large majority of people do not realise how harmful the current state of the EU

it goes both ways, with your arguments pretty much every single vote should be invalid

Dude, most of the original articles about this, are IN this topic. Some, granted are spread around 2-3 topics that didn't make it. But they are all posted on here.
There was no advisory crap mentioned...ever.

These were votes for... real. And like I said, the UK will probably be better off with brexit. Unless they also want to become the next major muslim cities, like the pro-EU, minus Belgium are becoming.

Oh shit. Articles you read didnt mention it. Damn, since a poster who has historicslly refused to do research says it, it must be true.

Meanwhile it took me 5 minutes to find articles on what a rederendum can and cant do in parliment. Spoiler: one of them is force parliment to act.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 16 2018 11:43am

- Mutual standards removes compliance costs.
- European Court of Justice reduces uncertainties about future economic, commercial and regulatory policies, investment decisions are easiers.
- Freedoms of people, capital and services complement that of goods, facilitating the sale of complementary services and the mobility of staff.

Even if Europe is imperfect and unfinished in many dimensions, the integration gained has been beneficial to all...

Dont the US and Canada have all these things figured out?

E; but this is exactly what i mean, the EU uses almost purely economic or trade related incentives and reasons to justify giving up political power over your own country. It has to be more simple to negotiate deals for trade than it is fo have your country run by a political beaurcracy made up of people from entirely different countries, right?

This post was edited by ssdrmstre on Nov 16 2018 11:49am

I dont think so.





This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Nov 16 2018 11:52am

Even if we didnt, is it at all possible to have "mutual standards" without the whole giving up political authority and sovereignty over your own country?

E; btw i didnt mean to call the EU a beaurcracy as an insult/meme/catch phrase. I said it because its true. Please dont meme me im trying to actually have a conversation with you because im legitimately curious

This post was edited by ssdrmstre on Nov 16 2018 11:55am

The sovereignty is still here. It's just populists who put in the weak minded that the evil Brussel mysterious entity is The new 1984.

buuuuut immigraaantts
buuuuut soooovereignty
butttt bureauuuuucraaaaats etc...

Im just sick of that. We need to purge those people.

Eu isnt perfect but far better than being a bigot getting his country going for full bigot mode, isolationism, war with neighbor (oh), etc.
/nb and getting eaten by giant fishes.

Btw gl with trumpism you are about to get annexed.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Nov 16 2018 12:03pm