Well, this didn't really get the heart of my question, which was about the general approach to discourse.

I would say, however, that there's a difference between planned economies and the major leftist rhetoric ideals in America. Only a very small percentage of leftists are actually fully opposed to capitalism to the point of wanting to burn the system down. Most "left-leaning", "progressives", etc. are fine with a mixed capitalist economy, but take issue with the wealth inequality prevalent in the United States and want the major cornerstones of society (like education and healthcare) to be publicly funded.

The problem is letting that pillar of government control increase its ensnare to where it "progresses" to authoritarianism. In addition, you're arguing ideologues with syntax and semantics, it needs to bE pragmatic.

It's not semantics at all. The majority of left-wing thought in the US isn't very radical in actuality, considering global precedence. The majority of the thought is in line with Democratic Socialism ideals modeled by Northern European countries. Certainly wouldn't describe any of those countries as "authoritarian", personally.

US is set to surpass China in total confirmed cases in half the time with 1/4 the population.

total shitshow

Nobody who has been there would either.

Yep. We're currently seeing a spread several times faster than China.

On the plus side though I went to walmart and there was actual food on the shelves.



You can't deny the holocaust or be a Nazi in Germany. They're basically controlling your mind at that point.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 25 2020 08:31pm

Does anyone actually believe china is putting out the correct numbers?

Not for even a minute.

So they have a problem with organic divergences happening and want a centralized power to control these divergences. That leads to bigger and stronger governments with more power shifted from the individuals to a government. I mean those are well meaning things, but lets at least agree that you can't achieve those things without some central entity being empowered while the individual losing some of those powers or choices.

Everyone's choices are limited in some way, whether it's free-market or mixed capitalist/democratic socialist societies.

Here in the US many people are limited to the health insurance that their place of work provides, which then further limits their access based off of in-network providers, which is further limited by authorizations, and further limited by barriers associated with premiums and co-pays.

Choice is an illusion.