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Nov 16 2018 11:17am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Nov 2018 18:10)
I highly doubt it would be that close.

Lots of people didnt think Brexit could pass and so either didnt vote, ir voted for it to send a message. Meanwhile the pro Brexit crowd was in a fervor and probably had maximal turnout already.


tough luck then
people, who couldnt get their lazy asses to vote, have no right to complain, thats also part of our democratic process

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Nov 16 2018 11:18am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 16 2018 12:16pm)
Brexit polls since the beginning ; Alot people "dont know" ...
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

Walking on eggs for politics




Looks like another graph that means absolutely nothing. And that's a graph constructed by the EU. :/
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Nov 16 2018 11:19am
Quote (ampoo @ Nov 16 2018 11:17am)
tough luck then
people, who couldnt get their lazy asses to vote, have no right to complain, thats also part of our democratic process


Pretty weak argument.

This while process has been a farce. The pro brexit side has messed up the process at every turn. They really should draw up a plan and a timeline and have a new referendum to vote on it.

Then again, i care about Democracy, so i dont want to desparately push through a shitty policy based on a razor thin non binding non representative majority vote to save face.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Nov 2018 18:10)
I highly doubt it would be that close.

Lots of people didnt think Brexit could pass and so either didnt vote, ir voted for it to send a message. Meanwhile the pro Brexit crowd was in a fervor and probably had maximal turnout already.


https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

recent polls: 46% for remain, 40% for leave, 14% undecided.

so since these undecideds wont entirely break for remain, the result could realistically range anywhere from 56:44 in favor of 'remain' to around 50:50. In either case, there would be very big, significant chunk of the population who'd vote for 'leave' once again. And in either case, there would be no overwhelming support for backing out of the Brexit.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2018 11:19am)
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

recent polls: 46% for remain, 40% for leave, 14% undecided.

so since these undecideds wont entirely break for remain, the result could realistically range anywhere from 56:44 in favor of 'remain' to around 50:50. In either case, there would be very big, significant chunk of the population who'd vote for 'leave' once again. And in either case, there would be no overwhelming support for backing out of the Brexit.


Pretty solid argument for not leaving without a stronger vote.

Quote (Ghot @ Nov 16 2018 11:16am)
The vote WAS binding, the referendum was also binding.
This sounds like the same BS the US is going through. A bunch of libtards trying to change all the goalposts. I use the term libtards, just for reference.


Wrong.

Look up what an advisory referendum is so you stop embarrasing yourself.
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Nov 16 2018 11:23am
Quote (Ghot @ 16 Nov 2018 18:16)
The vote WAS binding, the referendum was also binding.
This sounds like the same BS the US is going through. A bunch of libtards trying to change all the goalposts. I use the term libtards, just for reference.[/QUOTE


Dont forget the populists left the place like rats, no one assumed this shit; NOT A SINGLE ONE.

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Quote (Ghot @ 16 Nov 2018 18:18)
Looks like another graph that means absolutely nothing. And that's a graph constructed by the EU. :/


probably a conspiracy from EU that 30% or people dont know a shit about Eu rules and processes, where agreements are 600 pages long, and where it takes years of intensive work to understand the working flow.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 16 2018 12:21pm)
Pretty solid argument for not leaving without a stronger vote.



Wrong.

Look up what an advisory referendum is so you stop embarrasing yourself.




Not wrong. I read the articles leading up to the referendum. It's might be unbinding... NOW, but when it happened it was binding.
Like I said it's just folks trying to muddy the waters. Probably the EU, which from the get go has been against brexit. They've been promising things, then reneging over and over.



/e

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 16 2018 12:23pm)
Dont forget the populists left the place like rats, no one assumed this shit; NOT A SINGLE ONE.

(dare to answer)



probably a conspiracy from EU that 30% or people dont know a shit about Eu rules and processes, where agreements are 600 pages long, and where it takes years of intensive work to understand the working flow.

(dare to answer)


Seems I dared. Seems you, who pulls the same shyt with every thing in the US, is pulling the same shyt with everything about brexit. You're pretty anti anything that isn't good for... France??

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 16 2018 11:25am
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Quote (Ghot @ Nov 16 2018 11:23am)
Not wrong. I read the articles leading up to the referendum. It's might be unbinding... NOW, but when it happened it was binding.
Like I said it's just folks trying to muddy the waters. Probably the EU, which from the get go has been against brexit. They've been promising things, then reneging over and over.


Referendums don't become binding later just because they are acted on.

It was always an advisory referendum.
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Nov 16 2018 11:26am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Nov 2018 18:21)
Pretty solid argument for not leaving without a stronger vote..


I fully agree with respect to the original referendum. There absolutely should have been a quorum of something like 60% for a move as drastic as leaving the EU. But you cant retroactively introduce such a quorum!
Now, things are already fucked up, and there's no clean, convincing solution to clean up the mess.

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Nov 16 2018 11:29am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 16 2018 12:25pm)
Referendums don't become binding later just because they are acted on.

It was always an advisory referendum.




Dude this is starting to sound like Florida. "We'll just keep voting until w/e we want happens". ~democrats.

The vote took place, the referendum took place...both showed the UK wanted brexit. It's done. It's gonna happen. It's probably a great move by the UK as well.
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