Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 21 2018 04:30pm)
The FISA warrant topic has been of particular interest to me. At first, I thought there were some pretty glaring faults committed in the process the FBI went about obtaining a FISA warrant on Carter Page and its subsequent renewals.
However, upon further research, it appears as if it's extremely easy to to get a FISA warrant and demonstrate probable cause to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. Based on historical data, 99.7% of requests are accepted.
This seems problematic to me. How did the FBI define probable cause on 4 separate applications (1 initial, 3 renewals) despite never charging Page with any crime in the end? The FISC appears to be a secret, non-adversarial system of judicial review.
To me, this seems more like an issue with the FISC and the lax nature of obtaining a FISA warrant in general rather than one particular incident where protocol was not followed; the FISC has been operating like this for decades.
well yes, but what makes this different is that it was used in a highly politically charged way.
The FISC has long been a rubber stamp mock court where civil liberties go to die, but it was never weaponized for political battles. The lack of meaningful safeguards and rampant surveillance abuse has been a recurring theme whether its the NSA or FBI or CIA, nothing new there. But as I've posted a million times over, any FBI agents who were even
considering wiretapping the top figures of a political party and presidential campaign would be very aware of how dangerous and volatile that is. Its like if you suspect the Queen of England is a carrying a bomb and you want to look up her knickers to take a peek- in any sensible world, you'd better have ironclad reasons
before you take that peek. The burden of evidence shouldn't just be where they pretend it is with the FISC court approval process, but far exceed that due to the political toxicity.
In this case, the warrant here proves what the republicans alleged: The basis for the wiretap on Carter Page was indeed the Steele Dossier. Its laid out on Pages 16-17 with Steele as "Source #1".
And as you pointed out, we've seen no evidence that Carter Page has done anything wrong since then. He was never charged, and Muellers latest indictments poo-poo over the very allegations this old FISA warrant made based on the steele dossier, because there's no evidence or allegation of any knowing collusion between americans and russia boogeymen. But just the exoneration after the fact isn't enough to say the original warrants were wrong, what matters is whether they could have held probable cause back in october 2016.
And frankly, the Steele Dossier was never credible, never should have been imagined as credible given its bogus sources and genesis, and basic fact-checking like on the "Michael Cohen in Prague" story would have debunked it. And that FBI agents could knowingly take on such an incredibly politically charged case as spying on a presidential campaign
while using oppo from the opposing campaign as their source, cannot be dismissed as mere negligence or lack of restraint. That's where Strzok & pals being anti-Trump partisans comes into play.