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Do you feel as though you're able to navigate discourse with leftists in good faith if this is your conceptualization of leftist thought?

Asking for a friend.


Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 25 2020 10:01pm)
That’s me trolling but reality is not much different. Which of those ideals is not consistent with leftist ideology?


Lol.
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Mar 25 2020 08:09pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 25 2020 07:01pm)
That’s me trolling but reality is not much different. Which of those ideals is not consistent with leftist ideology?


Capitalism and emissions certainly are.

However, leftists don't want the old to die, and don't advocate for authoritarian governments. I just can't help but wonder if conceptualizing leftist ideology that way, even though you're both trolling and not trolling, diminishes the capacity to have good-faith discourse and colors the lens when digesting leftist ideals.

It would be the same as me saying right-wingers want poor people to die from preventable disease because they don't care about the poor, and that they hate the environment.

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Capitalism and emissions certainly are.

However, leftists don't want the old to die, and don't advocate for authoritarian governments. I just can't help but wonder if conceptualizing leftist ideology that way, even though you're both trolling and not trolling, diminishes the capacity to have good-faith discourse and colors the lens when digesting leftist ideals.

It would be the same as me saying right-wingers want poor people to die from preventable disease because they don't care about the poor, and that they hate the environment.


Dubious claim at best. Most do.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 25 2020 07:10pm)
Dubious claim at best. Most do.


Citation needed.
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Mar 25 2020 08:13pm
Meanwhile, in Spain:

https://www.elmundo.es/andalucia/2020/03/25/5e7b8df5fdddff4a9b8b45c9.html
https://elpais.com/espana/2020-03-25/un-grupo-de-jovenes-de-la-linea-de-la-concepcion-recibe-a-pedradas-a-ambulancias-de-enfermos-de-coronavirus.html

"Several ambulances with 28 older coronavirus patients were attacked with stones on Tuesday in La Línea de la Concepción. Dozens of people thereby wanted to stop the ambulances from bringing coronavirus patients from other parts of the country into their town. At night, 50 of them again gathered and protested in front of the residential home where the patients were housed, issuing threats and starting dumpster fires. From neighboring houses, explosives were thrown at the residential home. "

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Citation needed.


Look at breadline bernie's platform, yang's platform, the green new deal or communism.

You choosing to associate those with rainbows and sunshine and love doesn't mean its not authoritarianism.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 25 2020 10:09pm)
Capitalism and emissions certainly are.

However, leftists don't want the old to die, and don't advocate for authoritarian governments. I just can't help but wonder if conceptualizing leftist ideology that way, even though you're both trolling and not trolling, diminishes the capacity to have good-faith discourse and colors the lens when digesting leftist ideals.

It would be the same as me saying right-wingers want poor people to die from preventable disease because they don't care about the poor, and that they hate the environment.


The opposite of capitalism is controlled economy. Venezuela, Cuba & the likes. You can't have controlled economies without centralization of power. Those go hand in hand.
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Look at breadline bernie's platform, yang's platform, the green new deal or communism.

You choosing to associate those with rainbows and sunshine and love doesn't mean its not authoritarianism.


Which parts are you identifying as authoritarian?
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Dubious claim at best. Most do.


Private property requires authority. The only non-authoritarian systems have no property. You're either an anarchist or you're some degree of authoritarian....so yes, liberal, conservative, even the libertarian-lites in the GOP that you cant tell apart from any other republican corporate boot lickers, are authoritarian, each with their own prejudices.


Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 25 2020 10:14pm)
The opposite of capitalism is controlled economy. Venezuela, Cuba & the likes. You can't have controlled economies without centralization of power. Those go hand in hand.


Opposite of free market is planned economy. Capitalism is a mixed system and a marriage of capital and political systems. A lot is planned in capitalism, often the winners and losers.

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Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 26 2020 01:13pm)
Look at breadline bernie's platform, yang's platform, the green new deal or communism.

You choosing to associate those with rainbows and sunshine and love doesn't mean its not authoritarianism.

Aside from communism literally none of these differ from the current system, It is just moving the control of that authority up or down the ladders of power.
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