Quote (ThatAlex @ 16 Nov 2018 17:08)

-Parliamanet is struggling to agree on a Brexxit deal, potentially gridlocked

-Staunch Conservatives would be more than happy if no deal occurs in spite of harsh penalties because that would result in a 'harder' exit from the EU
-The UK is a political shitshow right now and no one really knows what will happen next

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2018 04:37pm)

mostly correct. If May is ousted in a vote of no confidence, she would remain in office as acting PM until a new general election has taken place - but there is no way this election could be done with before March 2019, that is, before the Brexit deadline. So no matter if May is getting the axe from her party or not, she will by all accounts remain in office until this Brexit thing is over.

A lot of "Leavers" feel misinformed, but there is conflicting data on how many of them would actually change their vote in case of a 2nd referendum. About 2 months ago, I read somewhere that the public opinion has shifted to 48:52 (leave/remain), from 52:48 during the original referendum in 2016.

So it looks likely that a new referendum would result in a narrow vote for cancelling this whole thing. But that's the key point: a narrow majority. The country is still relatively evenly divided, there is no overwhelming majority against Brexit.


So in my opinion, holding another referendum would only deepen the divides even further and lead to even more polarization, bitterness and chaos.

Quote (balrog66 @ 16 Nov 2018 17:49)

The horrifying truth is that there really is no going back now. Cameron's referendum really did a number on them. If they did all the analysis and negotiation before the referendum, there would be a clearer picture of what people could expect. Now it's just chaos.

And there's still the underlying feeling that somehow the UK wants to keep all the EU advantages without any disadvantages, which we can't and should not allow.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Nov 2018 17:57)

Yeah, I mean... say they hold another referendum now, and it ends with leave/reamain at 48:52, and they cancel the Brexit - the brexiteers would feel sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-oooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh horribly betrayed and bitter.

it would really poison the political system of Britain and destroy the trust of almost half the population in their institutions, in their democracy. "If the vote of the people doesnt suit the elites, they just repeat the election until they get the desired results" - that's the conclusion all Brexiteers would have to draw from this. that's like pouring ten panamamax tankers of gasoline onto the populist fire.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2018 10:57am)

Yeah, I mean... say they hold another referendum now, and it ends with leave/reamain at 48:52, and they cancel the Brexit - the brexiteers would feel sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-oooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh horribly betrayed and bitter.

it would really poison the political system of Britain and destroy the trust of almost half the population in their institutions, in their democracy. "If the vote of the people doesnt suit the elites, they just repeat the election until they get the desired results" - that's the conclusion all Brexiteers would have to draw from this. that's like pouring ten panamamax tankers of gasoline onto the populist fire.

Quote (ampoo @ 16 Nov 2018 18:08)

well, voting until it fits or just ignoring referendums has quite the tradition when it comes to the EU so this wouldnt exactly be new :lol:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 16 2018 11:10am)

yes, but this time, the whole thing is too high-profile to really pull off the usual approach of "repeat elections until you get the desired result".

Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 16 2018 12:12pm)

Just make it an actual binding referendum this time.

The argument that Brexit must go forth has always been weaksauce just in the basis that the referendum was advisory.