Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2018 01:45am)

to be fair: if you're secretary of state, you will almost inevitably have to make decisions that lead to the death of americans either way.

clinton was particularly inept, but I wouldnt call her a murderer.

Quote (Leevee @ Jul 18 2018 02:09am)

That moment when you commit an internet security crime so perfectly, even Russian hackers are not able to prove it.

For that alone, she deserves all the credit. What a tech guru she must be!

Quote (Ghot @ Jul 18 2018 09:39am)

The ONLY reason she got away with anything is that 1/2 of the FBI and DOJ are in on it. Lol

Quote (ScoobyDooRunner @ Jul 18 2018 02:13am)

You're right, a murderer would have to have the intent to kill. Perhaps she didn't mean to kill those Americans.

But the way she handled it (Benghazi) afterwards made everyone outraged.

First unwilling to admit counterterrorism failure, then being the first public official to blame something on a YouTube video, then she goes on defaming the dead victims.

I would NOT want her representing our country.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 18 2018 05:51am)

Benghazi? That is a huge nothingburger. Benghazi was the most successful Republican fundraiser in the history of the party. They dragged them dead boys names through the mud to get money.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 17 2018 05:10pm)

For the collusion theory to work, we need two big assumptions:

First, that Trump colluded with russia for whatever reason and in whatever capacity. And second, that Putin preferred to get a propaganda win/nice words from Trump in Helsinki over Trump being complicit in Putin achieving his strategic goals.

To elaborate on this second point: Putin is a smart guy who knows that Trump can be much more soft on Russia-related issues if the domestic pressure is low; and that the way Trump handled the press conference would increase this domestic pressure. So yes, this summit was good for Putin's ego and propaganda. But under the assumption that Trump is colluding with him and wants to play into Russia's hands, the way the summit went down was a setback for Putin's strategic interests since Trump will now be forced to be tougher on Russia than ever before. Since Putin is known to be a cold-blooded and cunning strategist, this assumption that he preferred looks over substance is quite a big and debatable one.

For my theory of Trump being narcissistic, we need zero assumptions: Trump has been a prominent public figure for all his adult life, we have decades of material that proves him to be an insecure narcissist. And there is no denying that the assertion of russian meddling with the 2016 election does undermine his presidency.

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To sum it up, the collusion theory requires two big and not yet verifiable assumptions to work, while my narcissism theory requires zero assumptions. By occam's razor, the logical thing to do is to default on the narcissism theory until further evidence pops up.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 17 2018 05:38pm)

Quote (Ghot @ Jul 17 2018 05:43pm)

Let's count the times you are WRONG.

1. you just keep saying this. i didnt vote for HRC. many people who are critical of Trump are also critical of HRC. <---- When I say Hillary I mean "anyone BUT Trump". So that's one WRONG.
2. keep repeating the lie, it seems to be the only card you have left other then that "lets wait for the facts guys" card that's fraying around the edges. you're shooting blanks old man. <--- Ooh, age and sperm jokes. WRONG.
3. keep repeating the lie, it seems to be the only card you have left other then that "lets wait for the facts guys" card that's fraying around the edges. you're shooting blanks old man. <--- Which lies would those be? WRONG.
4. this, just a stereotypical boomer who's probably liked a dozen facebook groups that are just propaganda. <--- Generation jokes and I've never had a Facebook account, those are for idiots. Yet another WRONG.


You seem to be seriously triggered at the moment. There's a cure for that. It's called ..... grow up. :/



When you're done ranting and raving, is there a point about election hacking you had wanted to make?

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 17 2018 05:46pm)

So he is supposed to know that you are completely nuts and argue based on that?

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 18 2018 07:26am)

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1019371895026745345

I think Tucker Carlson is even more ridiculous than Hannity... because he plays stupid on his show. At this point he's claiming there's no evidence for Russian interference(and that there's no clear explanation of what happened), and also claiming he doesn't understand the point of NATO? Dude goes full retard.