Changes to the status quo are black and white. Even if their effects are greyish

Going to war with Russia over brown Muslim kids is never going to be popular in America.

you're loosely hopping back and forth between terms i feel i've made clear. but alas, we have to distinguish between satellite wars and wars. and we have to apply a sliding scale of popularity over time based on typifying events. people supported the iraqi war after 9-11, so much so that questioning it ruined the Dixie Chicks careers and kept John Kerry from office (probably). and yet 5 years later no one supported it, not even Bush himself lol.

Oh hai!

Russia is in Syria... they have been for years. So if Hillary wanted to overthrow Assad's government, institute a no-fly zone without Russian cooperation, it would inevitably lead to war with Russia in some regard. This isn't a situation like the Soviet-Afghan war where America just trained and armed people.

Even with all the justified negative attitudes towards Russia in America today, I don't believe the public is ready for a serious conflict with them. 2002/2003 America was scared, 2017/2018 America is still war-weary.

Anyway, this discussion is kind of pointless. I'll leave it at that.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 3 2018 10:51am

Hillary herself and her supporters held her to a higher standard. "When they go low, we go high."
They ostentatiously celebrated their alleged moral superiority and the fact that they met a higher standard than Trump and the right-side of the political aisle.

Trump never pretended to be a "good guy" in the sense of being a "morally flawless white knight in a shining armor". While Hillary took pride in having a clean slate, Trump took pride in being willing to sully his hands in his fight for the american people.

More generally: In my impression, Republicans havefor decades been more willing to "embrace the dark side", if you know what I mean. Trump's election is the pinnacle of this development.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 3 2018 11:03am

I agree generally with everything in this post. i just remember the hysteria around Syria in the election and think that it may have gone a bit differently than you think, generally we're on the same page tho. Let's not forget that "what is Alleppo" lost Johnson any credibility, even if he never had a credible chance overall of winning.



ummm that's an Obama quote in response to Trump attacks on Obama, right? i can see how HRC is related but that seems like a misattributed quote context in this.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 3 2018 11:04am

I'm with IceMage on this one, I really doubt that the American public would be willing to go to war against Russia over causes like Syria or the Crimea; even if it's just a medium-scale proxy war.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 3 2018 11:10am

i dont disagree. but 2016 america =/= 2018 america, nor is sentiment of the public static based on severity of response nor time. i think that if we bombed the fuck out of Russian/Syrian army locations the day after those videos of bloody kids and reports of gas attacks people would have been cool with it, then over time not been cool with it. likely split over it starting WW3 along party lines, etc.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 3 2018 11:11am