Most of us aren't hysterical lefties and many of us differ in our political beliefs



You have no interest in proof or fact which is exactly why you make this identical statement about every single thing that doesn't fit your views

This post was edited by Beowulf on Jul 16 2018 05:48pm

I think the kompromat/collusion theory is likely, but honestly the theory you laid out is just as likely... maybe more likely. Also I'd say Trump is extremely skeptical of the intelligence community and parts of the law enforcement community.

I don't know if you read it, but I outlined to you a few days ago all he had to do to get some approval from me and a portion of the media figures, which is to confront Putin on some key issues. That doesn't mean you have to make it the central issue(s) of the summit, but at least stand firm. It's like Trump can't utilize points of leverage with Putin... doesn't sound like a negotiator.





This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 16 2018 05:54pm

Yep, yep. During those talks Trump gave away our launch codes, and the blueprints to the launch sites. He gave away the IP addresses of every politician and intelligence actor in the US.
He also gave Putin all the hacks that will work on all our infrastructure servers. He even gave Russia complete access to the Library of Congress, so they could rewrite history.

/e Almost forgot. He gave away the real identities of every one of our agents, locally and in the field. And the means to hack our stock market and our economy.

String the bum up.


/ee So if I understand things correctly, you're all mad because he was truthful with our allies, and because he smiled and lied through his teeth to our enemies? Have I got that right?

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 16 2018 05:54pm

he ‘confronted’ him by telling him to cut it out? sort of like a red line? and then believed he would do so?

our IC (which the lefties trashed from 2000-2017) is certain putin was and is hacking US elections. it is high-time to indict him along with the other russian hackers and drag him kicking and screaming before a grand jury in America. Pres Obama himself said to us putin was up to no good. have him extradited (along with the other russians) to USA to stand trial for his actions. Go for the head, dont step on toenails that can easily be replaced. The Special Counsel must do this.

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 16 2018 05:56pm

the funny thing is that even of all of that were true, you'd find a new set of criteria that were not reached, thus 'proving' your cult leader's innocence. 'well, he didn't offer melania as food for putin's pet bear, and he didn't publicly lick his soles on the red square, wearing only ivan drago's shorts... check mate, dems and rinos!'

This post was edited by fender on Jul 16 2018 06:03pm

There were other actions as well... some cyber ones which weren't made public. Also after the election he imposed consequences... you'd know that if you understood the Russia investigation. The CIA director at the time said after Obama warned Putin, the attacks diminished. America is stronger than Russia, we have the leverage.

On the second portion, good to see Trump's lowest point matched by Excellence's silly defense. Lol

I wonder why




yes, I read it and agree. It wasnt difficult for trump to do the bare minimum today, and he didnt, for whatever reason.

In the end, no matter if the media frenzy is justfied or hysterical, today was a disastrous outcome for Trump. For perhaps the first time in his presidency, he went into a high-stakes situation where he had to be, or to at least act, tough, and failed to do so. Today, he looked weak, and that's the one impression Trump cannot afford to give. His entire campaign and presidency, his entire "gimmick" are built around being an "alpha, a tough guy, a master negotiator, someone who fights hard and grinds it out for America, unlike the weaksauce pussy politicians who came before him".

Today, he didnt just inflict damage on his reputation, which is quite bad to begin with and on which he doesnt really rely - no, he also inflicted damage on his brand, and that's something that will really hurt him politically in the long run.

>the interference diminished. drumpf still won cuz of the interference the cia director at the time said so

ok

You're right he didn't. He did absolutely nothing at all. Trump said long ago, that the US govt. has decided to stop broadcasting it's intentions to enemies, on the world stage. Looks to me like that's exactly what just happened.

What exactly would Trump accomplish by yelling at and embarrassing Putin? Do you folks think that Russia is under ANY delusion, that they can overpower or out think us?
This isn't a case of street or playground rep, we are discussing here.

So why should the US, warn Putin that we are going to oppose them on every front? You're right, that would be... stooooooooopid. :/

Uhh, yeah, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. 70,000 votes. Man, you gotta step it up to keep trolling here, it's not GC.