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Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 23 2020 05:02pm)
Systemic racism does not require malice or cruelty, just indifference and ignorance.

You gave a bunch of reasons that don't apply because you don't seem to understand what systemic racism even is, and you kind of ignored that I don't see this as a case of systemic racism because I don't see it as a negative (and, of course, poor -> more abortion, black more likely to be poor, etc. etc.)


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 23 2020 12:21am)
I am well aware of how the concept of "systemic racism" is defined. It's just that I explicitly reject this concept/definition. To me, racism is still "the belief in the inferiority of a certain race based on traits inherent in this race". Present-day inequality which exists as a faint and superimposed echo of past racial discrimination does, in my personal opinion, no longer qualify as "racism" when this inequality can be perpetuated without any of the involved societal actors being racist.

This is ultimately yet another reiteration of the eternal ideological split between the political right and the political left: to lefties, inequality implies discrimination; for righties, it's the natural state of things. To lefties, inequality persists and must be overcome via state action; to righties, unjustified inequality will sort itself out over time if left untouched.


Then you're making a stupid argument of semantics instead of content, and then actively ignoring the evidence that directly contradicts your position.

Let me ask you a question then, when North Carolina had it's voter ID laws struck down because the laws specifically excluded IDs based on the races most likely to use them, and shut down polling places based on the races most likely to use them, what would you call that? Because that happened, and the appeals court that ruled on the issue said it was done "with surgical precision" to disenfranchise voters along racial lines.

Or how about the fact that money plays a big role in politics in America, so having less of it means less representation, and before that there were literal laws keeping minorities from getting housing loans and building generation wealth? That something that's gonna go away in 50 years and only leave a "faint echo"?

You are actively ignoring evidence and you look like a fucking idiot as a result.

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It's a guild called black power.

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This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 22 2020 11:36pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 23 Sep 2020 07:25)
Then you're making a stupid argument of semantics instead of content, and then actively ignoring the evidence that directly contradicts your position.

Let me ask you a question then, when North Carolina had it's voter ID laws struck down because the laws specifically excluded IDs based on the races most likely to use them, and shut down polling places based on the races most likely to use them, what would you call that? Because that happened, and the appeals court that ruled on the issue said it was done "with surgical precision" to disenfranchise voters along racial lines.


That's an example of systemic racial discrimination in the literal meaning of the words. Perhaps I didnt make my point clear enough: my gripe is not with the idea that some forms of systemic racism exist in the U.S., they certainly do. No, my gripe is with the vastly overbroad definition of that term which is in vogue in liberal circles and the humanities, and currently being pushed into the mainstream. A ton of the things ascribed to systemic racism these days are neither systemic, nor racist in and off themselves. And yes, this is an argument about content. What does and does not constiute racism is a very important debate and goes far beyond semantics.



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Or how about the fact that money plays a big role in politics in America, so having less of it means less representation. That something that's gonna go away in 50 years and only leave a "faint echo"?


Small donor online fundraising, pioneered by ActBlue, is in the process of making Citizens United irrelevant as we speak.

Another counterexample is the political success that Somalis have in Minnesotan politics, based on being a well-organized, monolithic voting bloc with huge turnout even during the primaries. This has allowed them to punch far above their demographic weight. I see no reason why other black Americans in other places couldnt do the same to overcome their disadvantage in financial resources.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 23 2020 12:44am)
That's an example of systemic racial discrimination in the literal meaning of the words. Perhaps I didnt make my point clear enough: my gripe is not with the idea that some forms of systemic racism exist in the U.S., they certainly do. No, my gripe is with the vastly overbroad definition of that term which is in vogue in liberal circles and the humanities, and currently being pushed into the mainstream. A ton of the things ascribed to systemic racism these days are neither systemic, nor racist in and off themselves. And yes, this is an argument about content. What does and does not constiute racism is a very important debate and goes far beyond semantics.

Small donor online fundraising, pioneered by ActBlue, is in the process of making Citizens United irrelevant as we speak.

Another counterexample is the political success that Somalis have in Minnesotan politics, based on being a well-organized, monolithic voting bloc with huge turnout even during the primaries. This has allowed them to punch far above their demographic weight. I see no reason why other black Americans in other places couldnt do the same to overcome their disadvantage in financial resources.


Oh I see, so instead of owning up to your stupid claim you got smacked on you're backing down to a vague "but they're doing a bad thing!" even though we've specifically been giving you examples for several years and showing exactly how the most pressing issues aren't exaggerations and have a direct cause effect relationship with the same organizations doing the damage and yadda yadda. You're just being dishonest and trying to make excuses, and instead of owning up to it and looking at details you're hiding behind generalities so you can't be proven wrong.

A group of a few ten thousand in one specific area with a common recent origin can reasonably come together to punch above their weight. A group of several tens of millions spread across many thousands of times greater area with diverse and different needs depending on the area can't. You're doing something here that's pretty subtly racist, in that you're assuming a common heritage and needs for a very diverse group of people in a way you wouldn't do to whites. This is, again, a really stupid argument that you should feel bad about making.

Aww man, a very recent advance thanks to the internet makes small donor fundraising more effective? Somebody tell the people in 1970-2010 that! They'd love to hear it! Those echoes are fading so quickly!

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Genius Trump Nominates Joe Biden To Supreme Court Forcing Dems To Accuse Him Of Sexual Assault

https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-trump-nominates-joe-biden-to-supreme-court





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/e Credit to: https://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=1051954, for finding this.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 22 2020 03:56pm)
>huckster to Christians

You're right he cheated on his wife and is mean on twitter. We as Christians should discard the below things and focus on that. That's what really matters.



Feel free to look at the other 3 years worth of Christian-related accomplishments/policy moves.

https://downloads.frcaction.org/EF/EF19L01.pdf


lol did u really just post a list that has Trump kicking trans people out of the military as a Christian win?

holy shit man....

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 22 2020 04:41pm)
That's at least partially true: a president Clinton would have replaced Scalia with a liberal, and chosen RBG's successor. (In this scenario, RBG would have happily retired earlier this year when they found the lesions in her lung and it became clear she didnt have much time left.)

Hence, had evangelicals and all other sorts of people of faith not held their nose in 2016 and voted for the sinner-incarnate Trump, then a liberal majority (of at least 5-4) on the SCOTUS would have been enshrined, and any push to overturn Roe v. Wade or otherwise limit the status quo on abortions would have been in vain for decades.

So while voting for Trump has not stopped abortions outright, it has kept the chance to do so alive and actually gotten movement conservatives faaar closer to their goal of overturning Roe.


if you think Roe can be overturned you're a fool sir.

i'll happily eat a 10 pound pile of shit the day that happens.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 23 Sep 2020 15:16)
if you think Roe can be overturned you're a fool sir.

i'll happily eat a 10 pound pile of shit the day that happens.


I get what you mean, but movement conservatives operate under different premises. From their point of view, holding their nose and voting for the sinner-incarnate in 2016 has indeed paid great dividends on the courts.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 23 2020 08:26am)
I get what you mean, but movement conservatives operate under different premises. From their point of view, holding their nose and voting for the sinner-incarnate in 2016 has indeed paid great dividends on the courts.


i realize that, my point all along is that they're getting played for votes.

ending Roe v Wade is an even bigger lie than the constant fears over the 2nd amendment.

only recently have we even gotten to a place where democrats are actually threatening the 2a in the senate in a real way. previous to that it was all b.s. for them to get votes and b.s. for the GOP to raise fears and get votes. no one wanted to actually go up against the NRA and other gun lobbies to make actual gun control, they still dont really but pressure is mounting.

as compared to Roe, where dems constantly talk about "standing up for women's rights to govern their own bodies" and the GOP stands up for the unborn, both parties knowing its a base rallying cry and Roe wont change.

if u want to vote in a governor of your state to impose laws to make it harder to get an abortion, fine, perfectly logical. but to expect the scotus actually wants to dig back into that mess is stupid. if you believe that you're getting sold for your vote. the statement "im willing to vote for a shit bag to protect millions of babies" is something a dumb person says, or at least someone foolishly optimistic against logic.

then again he posted a list of accomplishments that looks like it comes from the most idiotic hardline Christian shitrag i dont even....

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i realize that, my point all along is that they're getting played for votes.

ending Roe v Wade is an even bigger lie than the constant fears over the 2nd amendment.

only recently have we even gotten to a place where democrats are actually threatening the 2a in the senate in a real way. previous to that it was all b.s. for them to get votes and b.s. for the GOP to raise fears and get votes. no one wanted to actually go up against the NRA and other gun lobbies to make actual gun control, they still dont really but pressure is mounting.

as compared to Roe, where dems constantly talk about "standing up for women's rights to govern their own bodies" and the GOP stands up for the unborn, both parties knowing its a base rallying cry and Roe wont change.

if u want to vote in a governor of your state to impose laws to make it harder to get an abortion, fine, perfectly logical. but to expect the scotus actually wants to dig back into that mess is stupid. if you believe that you're getting sold for your vote. the statement "im willing to vote for a shit bag to protect millions of babies" is something a dumb person says, or at least someone foolishly optimistic against logic.

then again he posted a list of accomplishments that looks like it comes from the most idiotic hardline Christian shitrag i dont even....


Arent there trigger laws in most states that either outlaw or allow abortions as soon as Roe falls? Overturning Roe would not be the end of abortion rights in the US, it would realistically only affect the residents of red states who cant afford to drive to a blue state to get the procedure done.
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Quote (thundercock @ Sep 23 2020 12:10am)
I was taught that, were you not? Also, I don't understand why you care so much about abortion? Aren't you an eastern European immigrant? Every Slavic immigrant I know has had an abortion...


Where were you taught that in a formal setting because i'm on my 3rd degree and never heard about it. And the latter sentences is one of your dumbest posts on pard.


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lol did u really just post a list that has Trump kicking trans people out of the military as a Christian win?

holy shit man....




That's one thing on the list. Good job ignoring the meat.
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