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Jul 15 2018 01:03pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 15 2018 03:01pm)
Again: The fact that he hasn't even thought of doing anything with the 12 Russians indicted by his own DoJ has more interesting implications in how he views the Special Counsel than the actual process of extradition itself.

Put in a different way: We probably aren't getting those 12 Russians. But Trump doesn't even see their crimes as an issue. Furthermore, he goes out of his way to downplay the significance of the indictments.




You mean to say that Trump actually thinks the investigation is a... witch hunt ?!?!?!@? Damn, who would have thunk it.
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Quote (Ghot @ 15 Jul 2018 19:56)
So he should waste valuable summit time, asking for things he and/or his advisors, know he can't get, just to make who... Mueller, the Dems, the people, feel better?


he wastes 'valuable summit time' to lie about his popularity and electoral college win, to promote his businesses and his donor's products, and to cluelessly splutter irrelevant nonsense because he doesn't understand the topic of the question at hand all the fucking time.
strange that his summit time is only valuable when it comes to holding russia, which unquestionably meddled with american elections, responsible - rather than making excuses for them and telling americans how great russia and putin really are...
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Jul 15 2018 01:12pm
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he wastes 'valuable summit time' to lie about his popularity and electoral college win, to promote his businesses and his donor's products, and to cluelessly splutter irrelevant nonsense because he doesn't understand the topic of the question at hand all the fucking time.
strange that his summit time is only valuable when it comes to holding russia, which unquestionably meddled with american elections, responsible - rather than making excuses for them and telling americans how great russia and putin really are...




I told everyone before. In theHill article from way back in October 2017, that the DNC was TOLD their equipment was vulnerable to hacking, the instant it was discovered. Either late 2015 or early 2016.
The Republicans were warned as well. They upgraded, the Dems chose to ignore the warning.

So yeah, IF the elections were hacked, it was purely the Dems fault. Upon this realization, they accuse Russia and Trump of fixing the election.


Gooms originally posted the article(s), I reposted them as many as 4 times already. I can't help it if you don't want to read of believe the articles.
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Jul 15 2018 01:47pm
Fintan O'Toole wrote this yesterday in The Irish Times:

“To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism.

It is easy to dismiss Donald Trump as an ignoramus, not least because he is. But he has an acute understanding of one thing: test marketing. He created himself in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids, where celebrity is manufactured by planting outrageous stories that you can later confirm or deny depending on how they go down. And he recreated himself in reality TV where the storylines can be adjusted according to the ratings. Put something out there, pull it back, adjust, go again.

Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.
One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections – we’ve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities.

Fascism does not need a majority – it typically comes to power with about forty percent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesn’t matter if most people hate you, as long as your forty percent is fanatically committed. That’s been tested out too.

And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of “alternative facts” impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.
But when you’ve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery.

Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination.

People have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group.

It is this next step that is being test-marketed now. It is being done in Italy by the far-right leader and minister for the interior Matteo Salvini. How would it go down if we turn away boatloads of refugees? Let’s do a screening of the rough-cut of registering all the Roma and see what buttons the audience will press. And it has been trialled by Trump: let’s see how my fans feel about crying babies in cages. I wonder how it will go down with Rupert Murdoch.

To see, as most commentary has done, the deliberate traumatisation of migrant children as a “mistake” by Trump is culpable naivety. It is a trial run – and the trial has been a huge success. Trump’s claim last week that immigrants “infest” the US is a test-marketing of whether his fans are ready for the next step-up in language, which is of course “vermin”.

And the generation of images of toddlers being dragged from their parents is a test of whether those words can be turned into sounds and pictures. It was always an experiment – it ended (but only in part) because the results were in.

And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it – his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors. They went the whole swinish hog: even the brown babies are liars. Those sobs of anguish are typical of the manipulative behaviour of the strangers coming to infest us – should we not fear a race whose very infants can be so devious?

Second, the hardcore fans loved it: Fifty-eight percent of Republicans are in favour of this brutality. Trump’s overall approval ratings are up to 42.5 per cent.
This is greatly encouraging for the pre-fascist agenda. The blooding process has begun within the democratic world. The muscles that the propaganda machines need for defending the indefensible are being toned up. Millions and millions of Europeans and Americans are learning to think the unthinkable.

So what if those black people drown in the sea? So what if those brown toddlers are scarred for life? They have already, in their minds, crossed the boundaries of morality. They are, like Macbeth, “yet but young in deed”. But the tests will be refined, the results analysed, the methods perfected, the messages sharpened. And then the deeds can follow."

Let us protect our freedom with all our democratic power, and continue to be brave with everything we must face.”



Interesting opinion, i am not leaning one way or the other.
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OR... is just some of the saner minds realizing that a constant influx of illegal immigrants or immigrants from third world countries, will do nothing more than to make the US and up and coming 3rd world country.
I've pointed out before that your own country of Australia has even stricter rules about immigration than the US does.


You claim to be wealthy. Why are you on hear attacking US immigration law, when you could be putting that money to good use, fighting Australia's immigration laws?
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Jul 15 2018 02:44pm
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In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."

"Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.


The eternal foot in mouth does not seem to stop.
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Jul 15 2018 03:25pm
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OR... is just some of the saner minds realizing that a constant influx of illegal immigrants or immigrants from third world countries, will do nothing more than to make the US and up and coming 3rd world country.
I've pointed out before that your own country of Australia has even stricter rules about immigration than the US does.


You claim to be wealthy. Why are you on hear attacking US immigration law, when you could be putting that money to good use, fighting Australia's immigration laws?


I do fight them.
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Jul 15 2018 04:42pm
Wow. saw this email in my inbox

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This past week was the hardest week in my 22 years with Papa John's. I know the words of John Schnatter were offensive, and nothing pains me more than knowing they hurt you. To be clear, those words in no way represent my views or the values of our company. As the leader of Papa John's, I'm sorry.

Racism and insensitive language - no matter the context - will not be tolerated at any level of our company. Period.

Papa John's is not an individual. Papa John's is a pizza company with 120,000 corporate and franchise team members around the world. These are the people in your communities from all walks of life who work hard to provide you with better service and better pizza. These are your local owners and operators who do so much in your community.

Still, you deserve actions, not just words, so here's what we're going to do about it:

We're in the process of bringing in outside experts to help audit our company's culture and diversity and inclusion practices. This will allow us to identify our strengths and weaknesses. We will then set clear goals to do better.
Our senior management team will be on the road, listening to our employees and franchisees and getting their feedback on a path to move forward.
We'll be transparent with you along the way. We want you to hold us accountable.
I will personally be leading this effort because there is nothing more important for Papa John's right now. We want to regain your trust, and we will work hard to earn it. I know this will take time.

The entire team at Papa John's wants to thank you for your loyalty. We are only in business because of you. And it's our sincere wish that we'll continue to have the honor of serving you.

Sincerely,

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Jul 15 2018 04:53pm
why did you get an email about papa johns
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Jul 15 2018 04:58pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jul 15 2018 05:25pm)
I do fight them.




Good. When you win in Australia, then we'll listen to you.



...maybe.
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