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What's wrong with eugenics?


Nothing. Please report to the gas oven.
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We should teach college students that the biggest abortion organization in the US was founded by a racist who basically pushed to have these clinics in places where they can be most effective aka where blacks live for most impact. That legacy is still alive today with black babies being aborted at higher rates and most pp being around black communities. 79% of pp are located within walking distance of minority communities and black women are 5 times more likely to go for an abortion compared to white ones.

So Sanger got her wish with over 19 million black babies killed since 1973.


It's almost like... like.... there are systems built to oppress specific groups.... and they're still around to this day....

No, no. That can't be it. That would be like, systemic racism, and I've been assured that doesn't exist.

(I don't see access to abortion as a negative, but you get the idea. You're literally arguing for a version of systemic racism here, which is super ironic since you deny it in virtually every other facet of life.)

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It's almost like... like.... there are systems built to oppress specific groups.... and they're still around to this day....

No, no. That can't be it. That would be like, systemic racism, and I've been assured that doesn't exist.

(I don't see access to abortion as a negative, but you get the idea. You're literally arguing for a version of systemic racism here, which is super ironic since you deny it in virtually every other facet of life.)


Blacks wont be better until Democrats are all voted out of office forever and their party is annihilated. Their party is a relic of slavery and no longer deserves to survive.

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We should teach college students that the biggest abortion organization in the US was founded by a racist who basically pushed to have these clinics in places where they can be most effective aka where blacks live for most impact. That legacy is still alive today with black babies being aborted at higher rates and most pp being around black communities. 79% of pp are located within walking distance of minority communities and black women are 5 times more likely to go for an abortion compared to white ones.

So Sanger got her wish with over 19 million black babies killed since 1973.


I was taught that, were you not? Also, I don't understand why you care so much about abortion? Aren't you an eastern European immigrant? Every Slavic immigrant I know has had an abortion...
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I was taught that, were you not? Also, I don't understand why you care so much about abortion? Aren't you an eastern European immigrant? Every Slavic immigrant I know has had an abortion...


Considering a year or two ago he was saying evolution isn't real cuz his math teacher said it's not science, I'd say it's very likely he didn't learn shit from his college.
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It's almost like... like.... there are systems built to oppress specific groups.... and they're still around to this day....

No, no. That can't be it. That would be like, systemic racism, and I've been assured that doesn't exist.

(I don't see access to abortion as a negative, but you get the idea. You're literally arguing for a version of systemic racism here, which is super ironic since you deny it in virtually every other facet of life.)


See, this line of flawed reasoning is exactly why I and many others reject this whole "systemic racism" thing.



- First, you will obviously have more abortion clinics in states which welcome and fund them than in states which defund them and pass laws to hamper their operations.
- Second, there is a strong reciprocal association between the share of non-whites and a place's political lean. Diversity makes places more liberal, and more liberal places attract non-whites (think of NYC or Atlanta). Hence, places which are liberal on everything, including abortion, will automatically show a strong correlation with the share of PoC.
- Third, there are social/cultural factors at play too. Rates of teenage pregnancy are higher among poorer and less educated segments of population. Additionally, pregnant women will be less inclined to look for an abortion if they have a strong family network and/or a sizable family net worth to fall back on - two things which are, for various reasons, less common in black neighborhoods than in white ones. Taken together, this means that there will naturally be a higher demand for abortions in less white places.



Simply put, your line of reasoning here is badly violating Hanlon's Razor in the variation from Jane West:
"Let us not attribute to malice and cruelty what may be referred to less criminal motives."

The correlation between abortion rates and abortion clinic density and the share of blacks in a neighborhood can be plausibly explained by a wide variety of confounding factors. One has to go out of one's way to instead ascribe it to some sort of systemic targetting by nefarious white cryptoracists who secretly plot to murder black babies. These days, Planned Parenthood is not an organization driven by a racist mission, no matter which afterthoughts its founder had a lifetime ago. And needless to say that PP is not forcing its services onto anyone. Even if one considers the outcome of their operations to be a disproportionate decimation of blacks, the responsibility for this outcome still falls onto the individuals who voluntarily chose to use their services.

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See, this line of flawed reasoning is exactly why I and many others reject this whole "systemic racism" thing.

- First, you will obviously have more abortion clinics in states which welcome and fund them than in states which defund them and pass laws to hamper their operations.
- Second, there is a strong reciprocal association between the share of non-whites and a place's political lean. Diversity makes places more liberal, and more liberal places attract non-whites (think of NYC or Atlanta). Hence, places which are liberal on everything, including abortion, will automatically show a strong correlation with the share of PoC.
- Third, there are social/cultural factors at play too. Rates of teenage pregnancy are higher among poorer and less educated segments of population. Additionally, pregnant women will be less inclined to look for an abortion if they have a strong family network and/or a sizable family net worth to fall back on - two things which are, for various reasons, less common in black neighborhoods than in white ones. Taken together, this means that there will naturally be a higher demand for abortions in less white places.

Simply put, your line of reasoning here is badly violating Hanlon's Razor in the variation from Jane West:
"Let us not attribute to malice and cruelty what may be referred to less criminal motives."

The correlation between abortion rates and abortion clinic density and the share of blacks in a neighborhood can be plausibly explained by a wide variety of confounding factors. One has to go out of one's way to instead ascribe it to some sort of systemic targetting by nefarious white cryptoracists who secretly plot to murder black babies. These days, Planned Parenthood is not an organization driven by a racist mission, no matter which afterthoughts its founder had a lifetime ago. And needless to say that PP is not forcing its services onto anyone. Even if one considers the outcome of their operations to be a disproportionate decimation of blacks, the responsibility for this outcome still falls onto the individuals who voluntarily chose to use their services.


Systemic racism does not require malice or cruelty, just indifference and ignorance.

You gave a bunch of reasons that don't apply because you don't seem to understand what systemic racism even is, and you kind of ignored that I don't see this as a case of systemic racism because I don't see it as a negative (and, of course, poor -> more abortion, black more likely to be poor, etc. etc.)
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Systemic racism does not require malice or cruelty, just indifference and ignorance.

You gave a bunch of reasons that don't apply because you don't seem to understand what systemic racism even is, and you kind of ignored that I don't see this as a case of systemic racism because I don't see it as a negative (and, of course, poor -> more abortion, black more likely to be poor, etc. etc.)


I am well aware of how the concept of "systemic racism" is defined. It's just that I explicitly reject this concept/definition. To me, racism is still "the belief in the inferiority of a certain race based on traits inherent in this race". Present-day inequality which exists as a faint and superimposed echo of past racial discrimination does, in my personal opinion, no longer qualify as "racism" when this inequality can be perpetuated without any of the involved societal actors being racist.

This is ultimately yet another reiteration of the eternal ideological split between the political right and the political left: to lefties, inequality implies discrimination; for righties, it's the natural state of things. To lefties, inequality persists and must be overcome via state action; to righties, unjustified inequality will sort itself out over time if left untouched.
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