It will never end until one collapses. Doesn't matter either, who does. It's just the way how some humans function. That's the problem.

wrong done in the name of right are bad, a mistake, but mostly misguided.

wrong done in the name of wrong is evil. china's goals are evil. their view of what the world should be in 100 years can not be allowed to guide the world.

That is what needs to be accepted as fact prior to any conversation.

That is exactly the same thought that comes to mind with at least 1/4 of the world population when they view the United States.



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in north korea, russia, china, afghanistan, iran, and cuba?

aww schucks, we dont have the moral approval of the immoral. darn, what will we do?

Define evil, wrong, right, bad, mistake and misguided for both sides prior to any conversation.

Nah its alot more than that.
I give u a break down from what I am actually sure of
Percentage in population

China : 70%
India : 60%
North Korea : 30 % ( They actually want to break free from Dictator Kim )
Russia : 30 %

Here is what I am sure of in South East Asia

Malaysia : 60 %
Vietnam : 50 %
Indonesia : 70%
Philippines : 30%
Thailand : 10 %
Singapore : Neutral
Brunei : 60 %
Myanmar : 30 %
Cambodia : 60 %
Laos : 30 %

East Asia

Taiwan : 20 %
Japan : 10 %
South Korea : 50 %

I haven't include the Mid East , Africa and Central and South America.

The above is a conservative calculation.

no.



and 99% of those who hate america would literally leave their family behind for the chance to come here and make minimum wage to send back.

imagine hating something and at the same time going to sleep every night dreaming about getting a chance to go there and become a part of it.

that's the difference, we don't want to go anywhere else. we made it. we're here, born on 3rd base with no outs. so of course people resent us and "hate us". but in their heart they want to be us.

I would agree with you 20 to 30 years back 99% would have go to America. Not anymore, things change , everyone moved forward.
And even 99% is a stretch .

The USD strong as it is , the Petro Dollar. It is a pragmatic choice to move to the United States legally or illegally.

You are being too optimistic about those people dreaming to go to the United States. I can honestly say , after Trump, people really don't dream that often.

Here is the key, as much as you love your country and proud of it which I applaud you for your patriotism. Sometimes you live long enough to become the villian. And villians live long enough to know their mistakes and change for the better.

we were the villain for Iraq, then we pulled out of Iraq because no one wanted to be there, and we somehow became the villain for pulling out.

when you're on top it doesnt matter what you do, people hate on you. the US has been lucky enough to be on top for 100+ years. before that it was Prussia, Spain, England, France, etc all exchanging blows and the top spot. and every time one was on top others allied to bring them down. the US is now in a spot where realistically we could almost fight the entire globe all at once in a conventional arms battle, so of course we gets hated on.

but like ive always said, US = bad, Russia = worse. same applies to china, iran, North Korea, and just about every other top US hating nation in the entire world. we are bad, we do bad things, but from a moral standpoint its clear as day that everyone else is worse for worse goals. every other nation seeks not only to dominate globally but to do so with almost no thought at all for the citizenry of their own nation. that's a problem for the US too, but its a base design parameter for other nations. china cant be anything but authoritarian, russia either. neither has the option to be democratic or they'll collapse. short term gains in quality of life may have alleviated some desire to move to the US but in time the people will come to understand, if they're allowed to, the error of the regimes they now praise.

I actually don't think USA is bad per say. I mean it is what it is.

By the way If we are talking about Iraq / Afghanistan and Vietnam . As much as people think it is objectively evil . Not to mention Arab Spring and Central America.

We in South East Asia have to thank you for Vietnam and Iraq / Afghan and the Chinese are for thankful for you getting involved in the Second Iraq War and Afghan occupation.
Now this is the truth, and they honestly thank you for it. Not a snide remark at all.

You don't get hated on because " realistically " you can take on the whole world. You get hated on because of interference and your government trying to put herself on a moralistic high ground when she is not.
Sort of like practice what you preach kinda thing.

You just look at your domestic issues right now and look at all those debates on Pard. You have a problem.

Furthermore when it comes to Asia especially China and India. They look at history and they look at what you did to Japan. They are not going to like you very much. And when I said what you did to Japan , I am not talking about the Atomic Bombs and WW2.