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Nov 24 2022 02:57pm
Quote (Vastet @ Nov 25 2022 08:55am)
So... I'm not a fan of guns. In general I consider them the weapon of a coward. I am supportive of efforts to restrict access to people who aren't qualified to use them or mentally stable enough to use them without hurting and/or killing innocent victims.

However, guns are not the problem in America. America has been flooded with guns for 300 odd years. Frequent mass shootings only started in the 90's. There are also a few other countries with large numbers of guns that don't have the problem. That puts guns firmly into the exacerbation category and not the problem category. The problem is multi-fold and nebulous, easy to debate endlessly. But guns aren't it. They just make it worse. Getting rid of them would just result in people choosing alternative weapons, if it were actually possible to get rid of them (which I highly doubt since they aren't particularly difficult to make).


It's a psychological, maturity problem and cultural shift. The left solution is to take guns away but not heal the problem. The right puts religious and family values to stabilize society as a whole.

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Quote (Cascadian @ 25 Nov 2022 06:39)
Never eating a Banana. Never getting potassium'd. Don't care what rules are made or what "GC" says. Will shoot anyone in the face that tries to make me.


Hahaha really like you signature XD

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Nov 24 2022 04:29pm
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It's a psychological, maturity problem and cultural shift. The left solution is to take guns away but not heal the problem. The right puts religious and family values to stabilize society as a whole.


I donno man... Among 64 high-income countries and territories, the United States stands out for its high levels of gun violence. The US ranks eighth out of 64 for homicides by firearm (age-adjusted). ​Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, two US territories, rank first and third on that list. Firearm injuries tend to be more frequent in places where people have easy access to firearms, according to findings from the 2018 Global Burden of Disease study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

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Nov 24 2022 06:17pm
None of that^ disputes the ideas you were responding to, so thats an odd response.

Lets address it anyways.


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I donno man... Among 64 high-income countries and territories, the United States stands out for its high levels of gun violence. The US ranks eighth out of 64 for homicides by firearm (age-adjusted). ​Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, two US territories, rank first and third on that list.


Why is the comparison only to high income countries?

rhetorical question. cherry picked statistic.
US doesn't rank highly in homicides compared to most countries so gun grabbers have to compare US to Japan and Finland and not Mexico or anything in the west or eastern Europe or anywhere with similar demographics.

https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries

The fact that the US isn't first despite having the most guns is clear proof that other variables are in play and freedom to own guns isn't the problem.

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Firearm injuries tend to be more frequent in places where people have easy access to firearms, according to findings from the 2018 Global Burden of Disease study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

People with pools are more likely to drown in pools. Ban pools.

If the US has a spike in pool deaths despite access to pools for 250 years it means pools are the problem. People who favor pools being legal are wrong to want to address root causes instead of banning pools.
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Nov 24 2022 07:38pm
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Why is the comparison only to high income countries?


Are you high?

Do you want me to compare USA to zimbabwe or venezuela? If yes, then well done. Your country is much better than Zimbabwe or venezuela. So is Syria... but you know... doesnt mean much, does it?'

You gotta compare USA to other developed countries

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Quote (FantasyWorldII @ Nov 24 2022 08:38pm)
Are you high?

Do you want me to compare USA to zimbabwe or venezuela? If yes, then well done. Your country is much better than Zimbabwe or venezuela. So is Syria... but you know... doesnt mean much, does it?'

You gotta compare USA to other developed countries


"But these are the only countries the US shall be compared to, we are told, because the US shall only be compared to “developed” countries when analyzing its murder rate and gun ownership.
And yet, no reason for this is ever given. What is the criteria for deciding that the United States shall be compared to Luxembourg but not to Mexico, which has far more in common with the US than Luxembourg in terms of size, history, ethnic diversity, and geography?

Much of this stems from outdated preconceived and evidence-free notions about the "third world." As Hans Rosling has shown, there is this idea of "we" vs. "them." "We" are the special "developed" countries where people are happy healthy, and live long lives. "Them" is the third world where people live in war-torn squalor and lives there are nasty, brutish, and short. In this mode of thinking there is a bright shiny line between the "developed" world and everyone else, who might as well be considered as a different species.

In truth, there is no dividing line between the alleged "developed" world and everyone else. There is, in fact, only gradual change that takes place as one looks at Belgium, then the US, then Chile, and Turkey, and China, and Mexico. Most countries, as Rosling illustrates here, are in the middle, and this is freely exhibited by a variety of metrics including the UN's human development index.

Once we understand these facts, and do not cling to bizarre xenophobic views about how everyone outside the "developed" world is too dysfunctional and/or subhuman (although few gun control advocates would ever admit to the thought) to bear comparison to the US, we immediately see that the mantra "worst in the developed world" offers an immensely skewed, unrealistic, and even bigoted view of the world and how countries compare to each other.

While ignorance about true global poverty, life expectancy, and family planning are no doubt a source of some of these wrong-headed comparisons, one doesn't need to be the world's biggest cynic to recognize that the US is only compared to a selective list of countries because doing so offers a biased view of the United States that makes it looks like an especially crime-ridden place.

But, we are never allowed to compare the US to middle income countries like Uruguay, Russia, or Mexico because that would show that the US is actually a remarkably safe place in global terms on top of having many more legally owned guns than those countries.

Nevertheless, we've all heard it too many times to count: gun laws in the United States are "insane" because countries like Sweden and Luxembourg have far more restrictive gun laws and are much safer because of it. The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina. Such assertions ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense."
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 25 Nov 2022 09:50)
"But these are the only countries the US shall be compared to, we are told, because the US shall only be compared to “developed” countries when analyzing its murder rate and gun ownership.
And yet, no reason for this is ever given. What is the criteria for deciding that the United States shall be compared to Luxembourg but not to Mexico, which has far more in common with the US than Luxembourg in terms of size, history, ethnic diversity, and geography?

Much of this stems from outdated preconceived and evidence-free notions about the "third world." As Hans Rosling has shown, there is this idea of "we" vs. "them." "We" are the special "developed" countries where people are happy healthy, and live long lives. "Them" is the third world where people live in war-torn squalor and lives there are nasty, brutish, and short. In this mode of thinking there is a bright shiny line between the "developed" world and everyone else, who might as well be considered as a different species.

In truth, there is no dividing line between the alleged "developed" world and everyone else. There is, in fact, only gradual change that takes place as one looks at Belgium, then the US, then Chile, and Turkey, and China, and Mexico. Most countries, as Rosling illustrates here, are in the middle, and this is freely exhibited by a variety of metrics including the UN's human development index.

Once we understand these facts, and do not cling to bizarre xenophobic views about how everyone outside the "developed" world is too dysfunctional and/or subhuman (although few gun control advocates would ever admit to the thought) to bear comparison to the US, we immediately see that the mantra "worst in the developed world" offers an immensely skewed, unrealistic, and even bigoted view of the world and how countries compare to each other.

While ignorance about true global poverty, life expectancy, and family planning are no doubt a source of some of these wrong-headed comparisons, one doesn't need to be the world's biggest cynic to recognize that the US is only compared to a selective list of countries because doing so offers a biased view of the United States that makes it looks like an especially crime-ridden place.

But, we are never allowed to compare the US to middle income countries like Uruguay, Russia, or Mexico because that would show that the US is actually a remarkably safe place in global terms on top of having many more legally owned guns than those countries.

Nevertheless, we've all heard it too many times to count: gun laws in the United States are "insane" because countries like Sweden and Luxembourg have far more restrictive gun laws and are much safer because of it. The US has the highest murder rate in the "developed world" — presumably because of its lax guns laws —we are told again and again.

Few people who repeat this mantra have any standard in their heads of what exactly is the "developed" world. They just repeat the phrase because they have learned to do so. They never acknowledge that when factors beyond per capita GDP are considered, it makes little sense to claim Sweden should be compared to the US, but not Argentina. Such assertions ignore immense differences in culture, size, politics, history, demographics, or ethnic diversity. Comparisons with mono-ethnic Asian countries like Japan and Korea make even less sense."


TLDR.

But here is my two cents worth.

if one day, people from US stop calling other countries third world, shithole loser and USA is the number one best country in the world.

I believeall these comparisons will gradually stop.
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Nov 24 2022 08:03pm
Jesus, this is 10 pages of fender repeating his typical buzz words.

I sware to God it's like a angry furbee.

Hack hack, pathetic, hack, dishonest hack, hack, pearl clutcher, hack
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Quote (SBD @ Nov 24 2022 08:03pm)
Jesus, this is 10 pages of fender repeating his typical buzz words.

I sware to God it's like a angry furbee.

Hack hack, pathetic, hack, dishonest hack, hack, pearl clutcher, hack



He disappeared as soon as I laid out what we know now, a few days later.

Dude slinks back into his dirty hole as soon as there is any real information that exposes his kind for jumping on graves and using them to attack Republican voters.




It’s almost like the dead gay people.. are…… political………… pawns?


No, only republicans use immigrants as political pawns.
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Quote (YeeHaw @ Nov 23 2022 09:40pm)
So as information is reluctantly released about this shooting we now know the shooter is a non binary man with a drug addicted mother and (if I recall correctly) a porn actor father. The man committed multiple felonies recently, was arrested and charged, yet faced zero consequences.

OP goes silent. CNN abandons all so-called principles and outright denies this man’s existence as part of the lgbt community.

The only thing we are to believe is he is a hateful right wing extremist because his grandfather is a Republican.

Despicable example of yet again dancing on graves immediately setting a narrative before any facts have been established to attack people who vote for republicans. Every day this becomes clearer and clearer.



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