Quote (ferdia @ 30 Sep 2022 18:33)

international waters, ergo not an attack on a nato country, from what i have read.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 30 2022 10:25pm)

Maybe Putin did it

:rofl:

https://i.imgur.com/DRBasP5l.jpg

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Sep 30 2022 02:25pm)

Maybe Putin did it

:rofl:

https://i.imgur.com/DRBasP5l.jpg

Quote (BaHgerAUT @ Sep 30 2022 12:13pm)

Few hours before D2R reset haha

Quote (Goomshill @ 30 Sep 2022 12:35)

I don't think anyone ever established that either the 2006 pipeline explosion or 2009 explosions were sabotage let alone conducted by the Russians intentionally. As far as anyone knows, they were simply mundane industrial failures. The central asian pipeline was built in the 1960s and poorly maintained and turkmenistan didn't accuse Russia of blowing it up intentionally, they accused them of reducing their gas draw without informing the turkmen and thus causing a pressure buildup. The only fingerpointing was over who was responsible for the mistake. And it was repaired in what, 3 days? Saying Russia blew up its own pipeline in 2009 is like saying Russia blew up its own nuclear reactor in Chernoybl.

So all that is pretty irrelevant to whodunnit in this case. Which could still be Russia, but still has more logical and plausible explanation as a US/west operation.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 30 2022 08:02am)

Yeah, right, after decades of being in operation, these pipelines all fail right as tensions are running high between Russia and the country supplied by the respective pipeline - and this pattern of "conveniently timed 'random' material failures" repeats itself time and time again throughout the decades. :rolleyes:

That the pipeline in 2009 was repaired quickly doesn't disprove the accusation against Russia btw, that's typical "showing the instruments" behavior.

Quote (Goomshill @ 30 Sep 2022 15:06)

If the turkmens didn't think it was sabotage why should we now? If it was sabotage, why bother slightly damaging a pipeline in a way that gets fixed within a few days? Contrast that with Nord Stream II being apparently irrecoverable.
I think this is a clear case of Hanlon's Razor. 50 year old soviet infrastructure failing in a clear example of two sides of a pipeline failing to communicate with each other as they flipped their levers. One side kept the pressure input at full, the other reduced their draw, it burst, not a big mystery. We don't need to start seeing Russian saboteurs hiding behind every rock and spelled out in our alphabet soup

Quote (Goomshill @ 30 Sep 2022 12:35)

I don't think anyone ever established that either the 2006 pipeline explosion or 2009 explosions were sabotage let alone conducted by the Russians intentionally. As far as anyone knows, they were simply mundane industrial failures. The central asian pipeline was built in the 1960s and poorly maintained and turkmenistan didn't accuse Russia of blowing it up intentionally, they accused them of reducing their gas draw without informing the turkmen and thus causing a pressure buildup. The only fingerpointing was over who was responsible for the mistake. And it was repaired in what, 3 days? Saying Russia blew up its own pipeline in 2009 is like saying Russia blew up its own nuclear reactor in Chernoybl.

So all that is pretty irrelevant to whodunnit in this case. Which could still be Russia, but still has more logical and plausible explanation as a US/west operation.