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Sep 4 2022 07:13pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 4 2022 02:37pm)
He needs to take a screenshot of the bold because he is eventually going to forget this. He reads so much right wing media that his perception of reality will be warped to reject the chain of events you mentioned. In a month, you will have to explain it again and he will concede that you are correct. I've had to do this several times regarding the chain of events that led to the Jan 6 committee. Granted, if the shoe were on the other foot, he'd have the ability to recall the facts as if he were an encyclopedia. Funny how partisanship works!



That is the established narrative. We do not know the facts. You don’t, I don’t. If you believe you have been given accurate information about a trump thing then you may have brain trauma.
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Sep 4 2022 08:45pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Sep 4 2022 06:13pm)
That is the established narrative. We do not know the facts. You don’t, I don’t. If you believe you have been given accurate information about a trump thing then you may have brain trauma.


We do because the facts were established in court. It's public record now.
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Sep 5 2022 12:05am
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We do because the facts were established in court. It's public record now.



In that case the facts did not support a conviction so what are we even talking about.
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Sep 5 2022 12:27am
Quote (YeeHaw @ Sep 5 2022 01:05am)
In that case the facts did not support a conviction so what are we even talking about.


There hasn't been charges yet. You know courts don't only exist to have trials right?
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Sep 5 2022 01:42am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 11:16am)
This part can't be normalized
This is the first time a sitting US president has given a televised speech for the explicit purpose of denigrating a former president. Nothing in modern times like this. No administration has ever been so classless and disrespectful to use their bully pulpit to directly blame their problems on their predecessor and denounce him. Not as a speech. All the norms of civility were chucked out the window, and that was done by Joe Biden, not Donald Trump



true,

fascism


obama weaponized doj
Clinton pays for fake story to be made up and used against trump
Trump wins election
Liberals lose mind, cry, tds, question election process/ college ( this is important because when 2020 election is questioned by opposite side: almost instantly labeled as undermining democracy etc. Hypocrisy, lying - liberal DNA)
Fbi doj investigate trump non-stop for 4 years. Major investigation was based off of Hillary clinton paid for fake story "russia!" too many snakes in swamp.
2020 election approaches
FBI lies to social media about the legitimacy of Hunter laptop, work together to censor it. (FBI had laptop for 2 years at this point and knew it was real?)
Biden "wins" election with the most votes in history and more black vote than obama... MASS amounts of mail-ins were sent out..


Biden sign "inflation reduction act" to add 80,000+ armed IRS agents
Same FBI who cover up laptop to aide Biden now raid chief political opponent
Biden declares anyone who supports trump as a terrorist and a "threat".
last 3 above happen in the span of 2 weeks? ...








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Sep 5 2022 03:05am
Quote (IceMage @ 4 Sep 2022 21:19)
These narratives are always wrong though. The narrative of the Trump cult about 2016 was an FBI, DOJ, and Obama administration going after Trump's campaign in order to bring him down. While the reality is that the FBI and DOJ investigated with proper cause without revealing the investigation in the media. At the same time, Hillary was investigated during the campaign, she gave an interview to the FBI(something Trump never did), and when the investigation concluded, the FBI Director went on national television and smeared her for her non-criminal actions. The same FBI Director went on to announce the re-opening of the investigation before the election. These actions almost surely resulted in Trump getting elected.

Just for the record: the Clinton campaign and the Obama admin obtained a warrant to spy on Trump's campaign, based on blatantly lying to the FISA court about the completely untrustworthy nature of their source. Yes, the investigation wasn't made public at the time, but you can be assured that they would have gleefully released any findings about Trump collusion with Russia.

A week before the election, Comey goes public about the reopened investigation into Hillary, based on Anthony Wiener's laptop. He didn't do that out of impartial dutifulness, he did it to preemptively protect his agency from any suspicion of being in cahoots with the incoming Clinton administration when the public learns that they sat on potentially damaging material before the election. We can be fairly sure that Comey would not have made this announcement if he had know that Trump has a real chance to win, based on the extremely hostile stance and actions Comey showed with regard to Trump after the election.

And then, after Trump was sworn in, the same investigation - which was based on a faulty source and deceiving the court - was weaponized to undermine Trump's presidency for years with accusations of Russia collusion, only for Mueller to in the end conclude that the alleged collusion could not be established.


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Now we have Trump, the ex-president, who took several boxes of highly classified information home with him. The National Archives tried to get it all back, Trump refused, they referred to DOJ. Trump returned some stuff, not others. DOJ subpoenas all material. Trump returns more stuff, his lawyer says it's all returned, DOJ acquires evidence that's a lie, they search Trump's house, they find more material. Trump took this material without authorization and stored it in a location without authorization, and then obstructed an investigation aimed at getting it back.

I'll concede that Trump really fucked up here, and that he stupidly gave the FBI more grounds for the raid than I had initially given them credit for. But like I've stressed repeatedly: the FBI, and the intelligence community at large, had been in more or less open revolt against Trump throughout his entire presidency, they did everything in their power to undermine him. Trump is a buffoon who constantly self-sabotages and gets himself in trouble, but at the same time, the swamp was and still is genuinely out to get him.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 5 2022 03:06am
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Sep 5 2022 10:35am
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Just for the record: the Clinton campaign and the Obama admin obtained a warrant to spy on Trump's campaign, based on blatantly lying to the FISA court about the completely untrustworthy nature of their source. Yes, the investigation wasn't made public at the time, but you can be assured that they would have gleefully released any findings about Trump collusion with Russia.

A week before the election, Comey goes public about the reopened investigation into Hillary, based on Anthony Wiener's laptop. He didn't do that out of impartial dutifulness, he did it to preemptively protect his agency from any suspicion of being in cahoots with the incoming Clinton administration when the public learns that they sat on potentially damaging material before the election. We can be fairly sure that Comey would not have made this announcement if he had know that Trump has a real chance to win, based on the extremely hostile stance and actions Comey showed with regard to Trump after the election.

And then, after Trump was sworn in, the same investigation - which was based on a faulty source and deceiving the court - was weaponized to undermine Trump's presidency for years with accusations of Russia collusion, only for Mueller to in the end conclude that the alleged collusion could not be established.



I'll concede that Trump really fucked up here, and that he stupidly gave the FBI more grounds for the raid than I had initially given them credit for. But like I've stressed repeatedly: the FBI, and the intelligence community at large, had been in more or less open revolt against Trump throughout his entire presidency, they did everything in their power to undermine him. Trump is a buffoon who constantly self-sabotages and gets himself in trouble, but at the same time, the swamp was and still is genuinely out to get him.


LOL! Just say you believe Trump is above the law like Goomshill and be done with it. Why break your back when you don't have to?
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Sep 5 2022 12:12pm
Damn is that thundercock in here making some sense?
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Sep 5 2022 12:18pm
Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Sep 5 2022 11:12am)
Damn is that thundercock in here making some sense?


I've always made sense.
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Sep 5 2022 01:40pm
Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Sep 5 2022 01:12pm)
Damn is that thundercock in here making some sense?


Took a while but the GOP finally got fascist enough that normies are waking up to it
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