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Sep 28 2020 04:19pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 28 2020 03:51pm)
You keep responding to points I never made. I haven't criticized Trump for what he paid, although I think it's not unreasonable to do so.

Really I'm just interested in the people who look at a story like this, and the only reaction is "nothing matters". Not even as it pertains to what he campaigned on, and how he has governed. It's just pure visceral tribalism... you guys can't even entertain why this might be relevant without someone making it abundantly clear to you.



So it's the voters job to pressure politicians, but Trump deserves absolutely no blame or criticism for not following campaign promises in this area.

Wew lad.


No. Like I already stated, if this is the article that makes it clear to you that he is a chronic over exaggerator and consistently contradicts himself you're slow to the party.

You think it's tribalism when I have zero interest in Trump leading the US. All i'm saying is this article offers nothing to incriminate him (no fraud), and its a re-hash of displaying the same negative characteristics of him that have already been on display.

If you're trying to hail the article as "look he contradicts himself you should be concerned" i'd say your a fucking idiot, everyone who remotely cares about such things already knows that since he's constantly done it for 4 years.
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Sep 28 2020 04:41pm
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No. Like I already stated, if this is the article that makes it clear to you that he is a chronic over exaggerator and consistently contradicts himself you're slow to the party.

You think it's tribalism when I have zero interest in Trump leading the US. All i'm saying is this article offers nothing to incriminate him (no fraud), and its a re-hash of displaying the same negative characteristics of him that have already been on display.

If you're trying to hail the article as "look he contradicts himself you should be concerned" i'd say your a fucking idiot, everyone who remotely cares about such things already knows that since he's constantly done it for 4 years.


The idea that the only standard for incriminating a politician is information that reveals a crime is factually untrue. That's an absurd claim. The article revealed a bunch of new information that is concerning.

The news worthiness of an article isn't solely determined by political fallout. Trump is President... just because you don't care about any of the information doesn't mean it's not news worthy. And just because it confirms what Trump critics already know about him doesn't mean it's not an important and concerning article.

I'm not even referring to you in my posts... I have no idea who you are, besides a guy spamming "nothing matters lulz" over and over.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 28 2020 04:41pm
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The idea that the only standard for incriminating a politician is information that reveals a crime is factually untrue. That's an absurd claim. The article revealed a bunch of new information that is concerning.

The news worthiness of an article isn't solely determined by political fallout. Trump is President... just because you don't care about any of the information doesn't mean it's not news worthy. And just because it confirms what Trump critics already know about him doesn't mean it's not an important and concerning article.

I'm not even referring to you in my posts... I have no idea who you are, besides a guy spamming "nothing matters lulz" over and over.


One month from election. With sources that can't be disclosed
No fraud claim.
Tax on wealthy has been discussed since before I was born and has been near the forefront of taxation without legislators doing much (some on the Canadian front).
Articles claim would confirm trump has exaggerated business results (of which has been discussed nearly since day one)

I'd say it's about as newsworthy as Tuckers one on one sessions are.

I'd say the most concerning thing about the article is that IRS has a potential leak that is driven by political motivation. But we wont know because sources cant be disclosed of course. Naturally to protect those who are actually breaking the law.

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Sep 28 2020 04:56pm
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One month from election. With sources that can't be disclosed
No fraud claim.
Tax on wealthy has been discussed since before I was born and has been near the forefront of taxation without legislators doing much (some on the Canadian front).
Articles claim would confirm trump has exaggerated business results (of which has been discussed nearly since day one)

I'd say it's about as newsworthy as Tuckers one on one sessions are.

I'd say the most concerning thing about the article is that IRS has a potential leak that is driven by political motivation.


"I don't care about it therefore it's not newsworthy and will have zero influence on the election" is certainly a hot take.
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Sep 28 2020 05:03pm
so per NYT’s own reporting, President Trump paid $1M in federal income taxes in 2016 and $4.2M in 2017. the $750 per year figure being touted are additional payments (ie - what you fork over on April 15 or October 15 if you do an extension, as you have been ‘making payments’ each time funds are withheld from your paychecks for taxes)



now these tax liabilities were offset by taking deductions and tax credits, but there were no refunds claimed for either year, and the $5.2M total paid was rolled forward to cover future potential tax obligations

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexthechick/status/1310558049858400256

so $5.2M in taxes paid over two years the NYT has uncovered. now as for not paying federal personal income taxes some years well uh..yeah quite the unknown bombshell! wait nvm lets look back to 2016

https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/785337783149797376

couple other items of note: NYT doesn’t actually have any of Trump’s returns, they just have other returns, cash movements, and employee compensation information (huh????)

oh and the best little tidbit is highlighted


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Sep 28 2020 05:06pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 28 2020 05:51pm)



So it's the voters job to pressure politicians, but Trump deserves absolutely no blame or criticism for not following campaign promises in this area.

Wew lad.


Whatever blame or criticism voters are more than capable of figuring out on their own tbh. The fact that so much of the media dick rides him 24/7 pushes people like me to him because i'm against those in power trying to mold what to think and how to think about it.

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Sep 28 2020 05:27pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 28 2020 01:57pm)
But its okay for Joe Biden to cheat the system and/or use loopholes because he's a democrat



That's right. As a staunch Democrat, I don't care what Biden does as long as his steel toe boot is on your throat. I am the most democratic Democrat to ever democracy.
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Sep 28 2020 05:35pm
Quote (excellence @ Sep 28 2020 06:03pm)
so per NYT’s own reporting, President Trump paid $1M in federal income taxes in 2016 and $4.2M in 2017. the $750 per year figure being touted are additional payments (ie - what you fork over on April 15 or October 15 if you do an extension, as you have been ‘making payments’ each time funds are withheld from your paychecks for taxes)

https://i.ibb.co/Wt3HJ94/97612855-33-A8-44-E4-9030-7247-F75-C1454.jpg

now these tax liabilities were offset by taking deductions and tax credits, but there were no refunds claimed for either year, and the $5.2M total paid was rolled forward to cover future potential tax obligations

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexthechick/status/1310558049858400256

so $5.2M in taxes paid over two years the NYT has uncovered. now as for not paying federal personal income taxes some years well uh..yeah quite the unknown bombshell! wait nvm lets look back to 2016

https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/785337783149797376

couple other items of note: NYT doesn’t actually have any of Trump’s returns, they just have other returns, cash movements, and employee compensation information (huh????)

oh and the best little tidbit is highlighted

https://i.ibb.co/rsbkmvX/0-B129341-26-CA-4-D7-A-9-EC7-590-ED54-A05-BF.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/WVVqXL0/37-AEABED-C458-432-C-9772-0-DA205-F4-ED95.jpg


Yeah, I was listening to some information on this as well. Ridiculous.

I think even the NYT article discloses it but the wording they use is weird, and they start the article with the mention of the $750 . With the probable obvious intention of misleading the reader.
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Sep 28 2020 05:39pm
I did see some outlets point out that Trump did a write-off paying his own daughter Ivanka as a business expense by utilizing her as a 'contractor'.

Also, I do think it is kind of funny how many Democrats are lambasting Trump over this and making this an issue about Trump, when really the story here is that our tax system seriously fucks over the average American at the expense of benefiting the very wealthy. This includes many Democrats whose own tax returns probably utilize many similar legal 'tax loopholes', etc. I don't really care to see so many Democrats and left-wing people bemoan Trump's taxes while also not acknowledging the bigger picture. I suppose I just wish less people were concerned with scoring points in the Orange Man Bad game and instead focused on making tangible, real-world change.
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Sep 28 2020 05:41pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 28 2020 06:56pm)
"I don't care about it therefore it's not newsworthy and will have zero influence on the election" is certainly a hot take.



Ok that sig is pretty funny
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