Yes, I get it. You live in a world perpetually measured and contextualized by a historical criticism of the left.

I also love the doublespeak where Democrats break precedent first but somehow it's also "retaliating against how Republicans did the same to Clinton, as Democrats did to Bush sr, and so on, and so on, and so on"

It's a line of retribution, but somehow the line also always starts new with Democrats doing something and the context of it being a chain is completely ignored.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 19 2020 02:49pm

I lack that mental defect everyone else seems to have where every 2 years their brain resets and they forget everything that occurred before that point.
Its why I always chuckle when I hear democrats screaming about Trump cozying up to Russia as if Obama didn't tell Romney the 1980s called, or now when democrats say a president should never nominate a SCOTUS pick during an election year.

I just can't fathom the inability to recognize that we're talking about something that is happening right now, in Sept. 2020. Yes, there's a history of shit from both Democrats and Republicans, but to use the shit of 1 to not allow yourself any criticism of 2 is just absolute partisan hackery.

If this moment were the reverse and the Dems were doing the same that Republicans are doing now, I'd have no issue calling out the clear bullshit of the Dems. But then again, I'm not married to some dumb fucking right-left political divide that so many PaRD members seem to masturbate themselves with.

Just because its cyclical doesn't absolve the sides of their escalatory tactics.
Republicans had a big showdown over whether to go nuclear in the face of democratic obstruction and it ended with the Gang of 14 averting it- but when the shoe was on the other foot, Democrats pulled the trigger.

Democrats today aren't talking about how if they took power, they'd use the same rules as Republicans and try to be as or more effective at it- they're screaming about pushing that envelope and escalating with court packing or nuclear option on legislation or just outright screaming about civil war and their murderous intent. Civil society only exists insofar as society agrees to be civil, and these escalations challenge that fabric of the nation. Look at the demands in the media right now. Why should Republicans be demanded to voluntarily cede a SCOTUS pick which they got 'fairly' and 'by the rules'- while Democrats insist that if Republicans simply exercise their normal and allowed powers that it would justify a dramatic and escalatory retaliation. We've got Chuck Schumer himself saying "everything would be on the table" while the rancorous base screams about guillotines in front of McConnell's house.

Democrats are radicals, and the worst kind, the impotent and self-defeating kind.

Yes, it doesn't absolve the sides of escalating, BOTH SIDES. Not just the side you prefer. You do not get to say it's cyclical and pretend one side isn't also escalating, that's what being cyclical means in this case.

Democrats went nuclear after nearly 2 full presidential terms of unprecedented and bad-faith obstruction, when the other side openly admitted they were obstructing for the sake of obstruction and not because of any substantial disagreements with the nomination. Not exactly the same.

Civil society does only exist as long as we all agree to be civil, and the side that elected Trump and championed 8 years of bad faith obstruction gets absolutely zero claim to being the ones who are being civil. The democrats, if anything, placated Republicans for far too long.

You are so full of shit it's not even funny. You're a bold face liar as was shown in all of your discussions about Flynn and others, and you are continuing that here.

Yes, I get it. You can justify anything and everything Republicans do with that mindset.

Flynn, who it turned out I was completely right about, who we found out was indeed set up by malicious investigators and prosecutors who cheated the justice system?
I enjoy being right, but usually I have to be the one to remind myself with my hand on my cock

You keep throwing out phrases like 'unprecedented and bad-faith obstructionism' as if Democrats and Republicans haven't stonewalled each others agendas whenever they had the ability to do so for the past few decades. You act as if Democrats were 'placating' Republicans by circumventing congress entirely and refusing to compromise on any demands while they ruled by executive mandate. All through those 8 years, Obama had the option to be a compromise seeker, and refused. He would have wound up with a right-of-center agenda and betrayed his own base, but he could have found common ground with Republicans on most issues. Did you ever even once see Obama propose any legislative agenda with even a fraction of the bold concessions offered by Trump on immigration negotiations, when he ponied up an offer of amnesty and permanent status for DACA recipients in exchange for merit-based immigration reform? Trump's base was ready to raid the white house and depose him that week. Obama's idea of 'placating Republicans' was to draft a completely fake public debate track for the healthcare bill while the real one was negotiating in secret without any input from anyone but the party elites and then ramrodded through congress on party lines in a midnight christmas vote without anyone reading it.

Obama was the most unilateral and least compromising president in living memory and thats not something you can lay at the feet of Republicans as if obstructionism is a one player game. His legacy was the authoritarian solution, building on quicksand and swept away in the tide.

Still lying through your teeth.

Flynn who voluntarily spoke to the FBI and lied to them while being under two different investigations and confessed to his crimes while having representation from one of the largest law firms in the country.

This isn't new though, you've shown yourself to be a totally dishonest actor when interpreting these things.

Lying through YOUR teeth.

The FBI falsified an email, and then had Flynn between a rock and a hard spot. He HAD to lie, cause the false email proved the truth was a lie...
But you keep spinning it... a few dozen more times and maybe some idjets will buy your BS. ^^

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 19 2020 03:35pm