Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 19 2020 05:52pm)
Trump's pugilism and spite are certainly a quality we haven't seen since politicians have been on TV, but they're not an ounce compared to what's being thrown at him. I don't have any trouble calling Trump out when he posts genuinely terrible things on twitter, I've even remarked in the Trump thread several times that as I call out stuff like his Britain First video retweets that the actually awful things Trump does usually get overshadowed by the hysterical noise over misrepresented nonsense.
You're keen on blaming Trump for the divisions in America, but Trump gets up and pounds away on a policy message and positivism, then snidely mocks his opponents with quips and jeers. Usually lighthearted, rarely malicious. His opponents get up and blood libel him and burn him in effigy. Trump goes out and calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas", while liberals express militant fatalism and say that he's literally destroying the planet with climate change and needs to be stopped. There's been political violence from all sides, but generally its been either a far-alt-right so far past Trump they hate him or far-left radicals. Its greatly disproportionate looking at the Trump base vs the Bernie base, Proud boys vs Antifa, etc.
You've given far too much credibility to every conspiracy theory against Trump and then every time I debunk some nonsense you'll accuse me of shilling for him and repeat your refrain about Trump being an incompetent toddler and insisting he's just as bad whether he's guilty or not. The problem is I keep turning out to be right. If I wasn't spot on about each crazy theory each time, you might have a point.
Just wanted to respond to a couple things.
The standard for a president's behavior has never been to compare him against the worst of his enemies. A comedian holds up Trump's bloody head as a stunt, therefore Trump is justified spitting on McCain's grave over and over, or suggesting that John Dingell is in hell? It's baffling that you would suggest Trump is some happy warrior... a year ago I'd probably think you were trolling but you've literally become Lou Dobbs. All Trump does is bitch and moan everyday, whether it's on Twitter or at a rally. He's not lighthearted about much of anything. Is retweeting a pic of Pelosi and Shumer in Muslim garb supposed to be funny? Trump's horrible character gets revealed so much that I don't even post about it anymore.
I don't know what conspiracy theories you're referring to. Sure, Russiagate was one. But it was completely valid to be suspicious about Trump and his ties to Russia, and whether the campaign colluded. His dipshit son tried and failed to collude... so pretending that it was all ridiculous is great for a Hannity segment, but contrary to the facts. Sure, the dossier was outlandish. But Trump is stupid, immoral, and weird, so the possibility that he was with some hookers in Russia wasn't that absurd. Russiagate turned out to reveal a bunch of bad behavior. Trump and his associates lied over and over about contacts/ties.
Aside from that, I don't know what conspiracies you mean. The Ukraine scandal has been confirmed. You're sort of the conspiracy theorist on that issue, weaving intricate bullshit that corrupt Ukrainians are feeding the right-wing echo chambers.
This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 23 2020 11:45pm