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Jan 23 2020 11:38pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 23 2020 11:24pm)
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1220559375938609152

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Haven't been following the trial at all, but a great speech. Unfortunately, right and truth don't matter in this country. Trump will be acquitted even though he's clearly guilty, and he'll probably be re-elected.


The best part is he didnt have to make one iota of exaggeration in this speech. There was absolutely no embellishments and thats a really unfortunate situation we find ourselves in.
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Jan 23 2020 11:40pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 19 2020 05:52pm)
Trump's pugilism and spite are certainly a quality we haven't seen since politicians have been on TV, but they're not an ounce compared to what's being thrown at him. I don't have any trouble calling Trump out when he posts genuinely terrible things on twitter, I've even remarked in the Trump thread several times that as I call out stuff like his Britain First video retweets that the actually awful things Trump does usually get overshadowed by the hysterical noise over misrepresented nonsense.
You're keen on blaming Trump for the divisions in America, but Trump gets up and pounds away on a policy message and positivism, then snidely mocks his opponents with quips and jeers. Usually lighthearted, rarely malicious. His opponents get up and blood libel him and burn him in effigy. Trump goes out and calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas", while liberals express militant fatalism and say that he's literally destroying the planet with climate change and needs to be stopped. There's been political violence from all sides, but generally its been either a far-alt-right so far past Trump they hate him or far-left radicals. Its greatly disproportionate looking at the Trump base vs the Bernie base, Proud boys vs Antifa, etc.

You've given far too much credibility to every conspiracy theory against Trump and then every time I debunk some nonsense you'll accuse me of shilling for him and repeat your refrain about Trump being an incompetent toddler and insisting he's just as bad whether he's guilty or not. The problem is I keep turning out to be right. If I wasn't spot on about each crazy theory each time, you might have a point.


Just wanted to respond to a couple things.

The standard for a president's behavior has never been to compare him against the worst of his enemies. A comedian holds up Trump's bloody head as a stunt, therefore Trump is justified spitting on McCain's grave over and over, or suggesting that John Dingell is in hell? It's baffling that you would suggest Trump is some happy warrior... a year ago I'd probably think you were trolling but you've literally become Lou Dobbs. All Trump does is bitch and moan everyday, whether it's on Twitter or at a rally. He's not lighthearted about much of anything. Is retweeting a pic of Pelosi and Shumer in Muslim garb supposed to be funny? Trump's horrible character gets revealed so much that I don't even post about it anymore.

I don't know what conspiracy theories you're referring to. Sure, Russiagate was one. But it was completely valid to be suspicious about Trump and his ties to Russia, and whether the campaign colluded. His dipshit son tried and failed to collude... so pretending that it was all ridiculous is great for a Hannity segment, but contrary to the facts. Sure, the dossier was outlandish. But Trump is stupid, immoral, and weird, so the possibility that he was with some hookers in Russia wasn't that absurd. Russiagate turned out to reveal a bunch of bad behavior. Trump and his associates lied over and over about contacts/ties.

Aside from that, I don't know what conspiracies you mean. The Ukraine scandal has been confirmed. You're sort of the conspiracy theorist on that issue, weaving intricate bullshit that corrupt Ukrainians are feeding the right-wing echo chambers.

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Jan 24 2020 12:34am
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 24 2020 12:24am)
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1220559375938609152

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Haven't been following the trial at all, but a great speech. Unfortunately, right and truth don't matter in this country. Trump will be acquitted even though he's clearly guilty, and he'll probably be re-elected.





Yep. He will be acquitted and re-elected, because he deserves it.

You may not like Trump, and that's fine. But if you allow the constitution to be abused in order to remove Trump from office... then politicians will allow the same abuses to come after the American public.
Best course of action is just to "deal with" Trump's presidency, until it's done... like the rest of us did with Obama's.





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Jan 24 2020 05:33am
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Yep. He will be acquitted and re-elected, because he deserves it.

You may not like Trump, and that's fine. But if you allow the constitution to be abused in order to remove Trump from office... then politicians will allow the same abuses to come after the American public.
Best course of action is just to "deal with" Trump's presidency, until it's done... like the rest of us did with Obama's.





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Nobody is talking to you because our coffee tables have more insight Glot. You have zero credibility here now that we've gotten to know you.

I watched you post this post multiple times and a cry for attention. Nobody is interested. Plainly speaking I can lay on my back and piss in my mouth and be more productive.

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Jan 24 2020 06:46am
Quote (LA-Leviathan @ 23 Jan 2020 22:53)
Chances of Trump being the president in 2020 for another four years 100.0%
Chances that you are still a useless cuck of globulous DNA also 100.0%

Enjoy


They said the very same thing about HClinton XD :rofl:
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Jan 24 2020 07:05am
The swamp is draining itself! All these clowns have a huge surprise when they go back and pander to their constituents for the next election cycle. The impeachment effort is a deflection from actual corruption going on with US officials through Ukrainian channels. The arguments in favor of the articles are very weak. A lot of the cited 'evidence' is 2 second clips from the house hearing of witness opinion or speculation. I find the tangential evidence spewed out by the impeachment opposition more compelling of a corruption case and investigation into Biden's son, not Biden senior. I'm assuming an investigation into Biden's son wouldn't end there, hence the MAJOR smoke and mirrors defamation campaign by the democrats as a counter move to 'protect the swamp'.

Aside from my pipe theory, when did the Ukraine hack become 'debunked', I've heard this non-stop from random democrats? I google this, and 10 'fact checking' sites come up that all claim its debunked without presenting facts. The FBI public report had a conclusion along the lines of 'the Russians are capable of such a hack, the hack originated from Eastern europe, and the hack was done on a cyrillic keyboard, the hackware use don the attack vector was shoddy. Maybe I missed a report along the way?, but seems Russia OR Ukraine OR *jsper* could have pulled the original 'hack'. Also, its hard to trust the FBI after Comey and the DOJ report on fabricated FISA court applications.
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Jan 24 2020 07:12am
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Nobody is talking to you because our coffee tables have more insight Glot. You have zero credibility here now that we've gotten to know you.

I watched you post this post multiple times and a cry for attention. Nobody is interested. Plainly speaking I can lay on my back and piss in my mouth and be more productive.



Yeah, for some... knowing Trump will be acquitted and re-elected, must be hard to deal with. But you'll get there one day... not to worry.







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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jan 24 2020 08:05am)
The swamp is draining itself! All these clowns have a huge surprise when they go back and pander to their constituents for the next election cycle. The impeachment effort is a deflection from actual corruption going on with US officials through Ukrainian channels. The arguments in favor of the articles are very weak. A lot of the cited 'evidence' is 2 second clips from the house hearing of witness opinion or speculation. I find the tangential evidence spewed out by the impeachment opposition more compelling of a corruption case and investigation into Biden's son, not Biden senior. I'm assuming an investigation into Biden's son wouldn't end there, hence the MAJOR smoke and mirrors defamation campaign by the democrats as a counter move to 'protect the swamp'.

Aside from my pipe theory, when did the Ukraine hack become 'debunked', I've heard this non-stop from random democrats? I google this, and 10 'fact checking' sites come up that all claim its debunked without presenting facts. The FBI public report had a conclusion along the lines of 'the Russians are capable of such a hack, the hack originated from Eastern europe, and the hack was done on a cyrillic keyboard, the hackware use don the attack vector was shoddy. Maybe I missed a report along the way?, but seems Russia OR Ukraine OR *jsper* could have pulled the original 'hack'. Also, its hard to trust the FBI after Comey and the DOJ report on fabricated FISA court applications.


Yeah, the Dem's modus operendi seems to be: "If you can't dazzle them will brilliance, then baffle them with bullshyt".

This post was edited by Ghot on Jan 24 2020 07:17am
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Jan 24 2020 07:58am
Quote (IceMage @ 24 Jan 2020 00:40)
Just wanted to respond to a couple things.

The standard for a president's behavior has never been to compare him against the worst of his enemies. A comedian holds up Trump's bloody head as a stunt, therefore Trump is justified spitting on McCain's grave over and over, or suggesting that John Dingell is in hell? .


McCain was a horrible anti-American scamming political leech with the Keating 5 (still a hero for his military service) and as for Dingell well, he told Trump to go to hell first, “on behalf of so many veterans”, over 3 years ago


https://mobile.twitter.com/johndingell/status/786236645741850628?lang=en
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Jan 24 2020 11:00am
Quote (Ghot @ Jan 24 2020 08:12am)
Yeah, for some... knowing Trump will be acquitted and re-elected, must be hard to deal with. But you'll get there one day... not to worry.







/e



Yeah, the Dem's modus operendi seems to be: "If you can't dazzle them will brilliance, then baffle them with bullshyt".


Bye Felicia.

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Jan 24 2020 11:42am
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 23 2020 05:39pm)
i've not stated that one was "worse" than any other... again, i've said "impeachment" is political. not that Trump's impeachment is political.

i am stating that the Clinton investigation gave ground to his impeachment.
the opposite has happened here and impeachment is trying to give ground to investigation.
how is this not contradictory to previous precedent?

although the House has the power to "impeach" based on anything or nothing...
-can they now impeach, hold the impeachment articles for a 3-year term before handing to the Senate? since the precedent of handing it over quickly has been broken.
-can they start an investigation "before" the Senate looks through the impeachment articles? (through the Senate, but at request of House). "the"(not this) argument has been about seeing witnesses before these articles have even been discussed yet in the Senate.
they are asking to start another investigation before even discussing and/or cross-examining the current articles.

edit: i'm going to add that you "only" give credence to the "perjury" charge for Clinton. this makes sense since this is an "actual" crime.
he was also acquitted

noted


if you take it a step further you'd realize they did an investigation against Clinton because (both being political) they didnt have enough for impeachment. they got the "impeachable offenses" from the investigation.

whereas a president potentially strong arming a foreign govt to punish a domestic political opponent is already enough to investigate in the legislature through the impeachment process, both in the grand jury stage in the house and the actual trial in senate.

your problem is you're looking for differences (i.e. a lack of independent investigation) to maintain your biases. without actually doing the thinking part of asking whether those differences matter. probably because you read/heard somewhere about how no independent investigation was done, how that really matters, and you drank is down in one pull.
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