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Quote (Ghot @ Aug 1 2019 05:58pm)
So you best not run around claiming it then... either.



/e



I know... same with SF. But then the lower courts don't really mean diddly. I cite as evidence... the past two years. :/


Or what? You'll prove me right?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 1 2019 07:02pm)
Or what? You'll prove me right?





In case you can't go back at read wtf you 'claimed" I'll remind you... you claimed the 1st amendment protected the language the signs were written it. So prove it.




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there is not any attribute to the law that differentiates any aspect of different languages.
there is also not any form of law that protects "english" specifically.

all "language" is protected under free speech. pending the situation, there could also be freedom of press issues.



The Constitution and the Amendments are totally silent about the language issue. Which is why no one will be able to prove that the 1st Amendment DOES protect the language on the signs.

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In case you can't go back at read wtf you 'claimed" I'll remind you... you claimed the 1st amendment protected the language the signs were written it. So prove it.


Quote (tagged4nothing @ Aug 1 2019 06:02pm)
there is not any attribute to the law that differentiates any aspect of different languages.
there is also not any form of law that protects "english" specifically.

all "language" is protected under free speech. pending the situation, there could also be freedom of press issues.


Read this post. I'm citing it.

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Read this post. I'm citing it.




Too slow grandpa. :/
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Too slow grandpa. :/


U want me to cite the law that doesn't exist because the 1a already protects it from laws violating it. And u admit such laws have been struck down against it. Lol
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U want me to cite the law that doesn't exist because the 1a already protects it from laws violating it. And u admit such laws have been struck down against it. Lol



NO... cause I know you can't. I want you to stop claiming that the 1st Amendment is protecting the language of the signs in the US.... when no one could prove it.



/e Then for good measure you could admit that it is MY FUCKING RIGHT to think w/e I want about a law passed in China.

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https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Freedom+of+Speech
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Freedom of Speech
The right, guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to express beliefs and ideas without unwarranted government restriction.

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Expressive Conduct
In West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 63 S. Ct. 1178, 87 L. Ed. 1628 (1943), Justice robert h. jackson wrote that symbols are "a short cut from mind to mind." Expressive conduct or Symbolic Speech involves communicative conduct that is the behavioral equivalent of speech. The conduct itself is the idea or message. Some expressive conduct is the equivalent of speech and is protected by the First Amendment.
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/e ...and some isn't. Which is why he phrased it the way he did. Also... that ruling had nothing to do with "language".

But kudos for the link AND the case number.

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And the context... cause I KNOW that's not about Chinese signs.

that's the decision of a court case further defining the rights of free speech under the US Constitution.

the first quote was what freedom of speech actually is. it protects more than "language", unlike the example i gave prior.

if you're unable to accept the arabic language as an "expression of ideas or beliefs", than i thought maybe you'd see it as symbols.
(edit again: i used symbols mainly because they are "written")

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NO... cause I know you can't. I want you to stop claiming that the 1st Amendment is protecting the language of the signs in the US.... when no one could prove it.



/e Then for good measure you could admit that it is MY FUCKING RIGHT to think w/e I want about a law passed in China.


Courts have reviewed this and found that such ordinances do violate the First Amendment. A good example of this would be Asian American Business Group v. City of Pamona: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2705315218726752196&q=Asian%20American%20Business%20Group%20v.%20City%20of%20Pomona&hl=en&as_sdt=2006&as_vis=1

The City of Pamona passed the following ordinance:

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On premises signs of commercial or manufacturing establishments which have advertising copy in foreign alphabetical characters shall devote at least one half of the sign area to advertising copy in English alphabetical characters. Commercial or manufacturing establishments which have on premises signs with foreign alphabetical characters shall also display in Arabic numerals their address in figures not less than three and one half inches in height.


Judge Robert M. Takasugi expressly said that it violated the First Amendment in his ruling:

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By requiring one half of the space of a foreign alphabet sign to be devoted to English alphabetical characters, the ordinance regulates the cultural expression of the sign owner. Since the language used is an expression of national origin, culture and ethnicity, regulation of the sign language is a regulation of content.

The court hereby declares that the Ordinance violates the first amendment rights of freedom of speech, is void for vagueness and violates the Due Process Clause of the fourteenth amendment, and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the fourteenth amendment; and...


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