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Apr 5 2018 05:17pm
Quote (JohnMiller92 @ 6 Apr 2018 01:10)
Fender bender should have stopped after #183 imo, it was going just fine :rofl:


yep :lol:

indeed, now he has embarrassed himself once again with a ridiculous ad hominem attempt, just because it was me who made that post
actually kinda ironic since i tried to give some insight into actual police reality with half my family and many friends of mine serving in the german police and we had that discussion

but what do we expect from a guy who wants to use a taser on an armed assailant who is already in his face despite all the risks

completely insane
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Apr 5 2018 05:18pm
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There aren't any out there. Its so white its scary in rural America. Even the blacks there hate blacks.



And city blacks hate other blacks too

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Apr 5 2018 05:18pm
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And city blacks hate other blacks too

https://i.imgur.com/m8Qcwi1.jpg


A lot of haters out there, true.
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Apr 5 2018 05:24pm
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you mean studies that showed how tasers are used very liberally BECAUSE they are non-lethal and it's easier than dealing with an unruly customer?
true, that has proven to be a problem - but that again comes down to bad training and lack of professionalism. in general it is a good tool if you want to stop someone without using lethal force...


Tasers are absolutely not for taking on someone who is rushing you.
Tasers do not stop people who already have momentum, tasers do not reliably disable people, tasers are quite ineffective at disabling someone who already had murderous intent.
Police tasers are intentionally not made strong enough to actually shock someone into submission because anything so powerful would be often lethal. When police used stronger tasers, it killed people. Which then got the police blamed.
Tasers are also ineffective simply by the restriction of their design: Prongs often fail to attach, they are bad at penetrating clothing, they can be easily ripped out. Where they hit someone matters. If you miss the single shot. If they fail to deploy. If they get snagged on surroundings. If they get shorted out. If there are multiple attackers. Etc etc down the line.

There are no magical non-lethal means to subdue dangerous targets. They don't exist. No weapons programs have ever developed anything thats reliable, portable, cheap, effective, and guaranteed non-lethal. Not tasers, not mace, not net-guns, not sonic devices, not microwave emitters, not russian poisonous knock-out gas. They all fail in one way or another. When someone is charging a police officer trying to bash their head in, the only reliable tool they have to stop them is hollow point bullets aimed center of mass to minimize chances of hitting bystanders.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 5 2018 05:26pm
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Tasers are absolutely not for taking on someone who is rushing you.
Tasers do not stop people who already have momentum, tasers do not reliably disable people, tasers are quite ineffective at disabling someone who already had murderous intent.
Police tasers are intentionally not made strong enough to actually shock someone into submission because anything so powerful would be often lethal. When police used stronger tasers, it killed people. Which then got the police blamed.
Tasers are also ineffective simply by the restriction of their design: Prongs often fail to attach, they are bad at penetrating clothing, they can be easily ripped out.

There are no magical non-lethal means to subdue dangerous targets. They don't exist. No weapons programs have ever developed anything thats reliable, portable, cheap, effective, and guaranteed non-lethal. Not tasers, not mace, not net-guns, not sonic devices, not microwave emitters, not russian poisonous knock-out gas. They all fail in one way or another. When someone is charging a police officer trying to bash their head in, the only reliable tool they have to stop them is hollow point bullets aimed center of mass to minimize chances of hitting bystanders.


too many facts, i expect a complete dodge with some accusations
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Apr 5 2018 05:32pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 5 2018 06:24pm)
Tasers are absolutely not for taking on someone who is rushing you.
Tasers do not stop people who already have momentum, tasers do not reliably disable people, tasers are quite ineffective at disabling someone who already had murderous intent.
Police tasers are intentionally not made strong enough to actually shock someone into submission because anything so powerful would be often lethal. When police used stronger tasers, it killed people. Which then got the police blamed.
Tasers are also ineffective simply by the restriction of their design: Prongs often fail to attach, they are bad at penetrating clothing, they can be easily ripped out. Where they hit someone matters. If you miss the single shot. If they fail to deploy. If they get snagged on surroundings. If they get shorted out. If there are multiple attackers. Etc etc down the line.

There are no magical non-lethal means to subdue dangerous targets. They don't exist. No weapons programs have ever developed anything thats reliable, portable, cheap, effective, and guaranteed non-lethal. Not tasers, not mace, not net-guns, not sonic devices, not microwave emitters, not russian poisonous knock-out gas. They all fail in one way or another. When someone is charging a police officer trying to bash their head in, the only reliable tool they have to stop them is hollow point bullets aimed center of mass to minimize chances of hitting bystanders.


I'm redacting my statement here lol.

Luckily I've never personally been tased although I would probably benefit from electroconvulsive therapy lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 5 2018 05:36pm
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you mean studies that showed how tasers are used very liberally BECAUSE they are non-lethal and it's easier than dealing with an unruly customer?
true, that has proven to be a problem - but that again comes down to bad training and lack of professionalism. in general it is a good tool if you want to stop someone without using lethal force...


Yeah I actually did. It's a very nice tool for torture, not leaving many marks, not to be used to liberal. For some being tased from a distance is infuriating them even more. A backup with a gun, which they would have if there was any team work to begin with, could have avoided a shot being fired. But I'm somewhat not sure how the effect for a tase gun deviates from the US with a high gun ownership and the EU. I'm expecting it to be more effective here only due to the threat of it being used ;)

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Apr 5 2018 05:43pm
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I'm redacting my statement here lol.

Luckily I've never personally been tased although I would probably benefit from electroconvulsive therapy lol.


don't they use that to fix homosexual behavior :thinking:
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Apr 5 2018 05:45pm
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don't they use that to fix homosexual behavior :thinking:


Treatment resistant depression, but if you're a little bipolar it can shoot you into a nice mania.
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don't they use that to fix homosexual behavior :thinking:


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