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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 7 2017 06:28pm)
in my head i thought you were a non-smoker in favor of legalization, that was the "vague" bit rather than meaning noncommittal.

the cop bit, especially with victim-less crime enforcement was a gimme point for any libertarian id say. i have yet to hear a libertarian argument for tough on crime enforcement (as compared to say the split over abortion).

Mainly though, i don't consider you a shill for republicans, i consider you a republican who justifies your positions based on the NAP. I know u hated johnson and are not a fan of most socially focused libertarians. I think this exemplifies one of the issues libertarians have though, most libertarians are just republicans with a principle driven ideology rather than a religious one or one that blindly follows doctrines. Which leaves behind the left leaners, and come time to vote neither of the groups can count on each other to vote for the party like either of the big 2 parties can.


I voted for Johnson twice but wanted him to be more informed on libertarianism, push more actual libertarian policies and stop acting like a moron and fruitcake. He wasn't libertarian enough in my view. I prefer radical libertarians.
Theres a bit by Dave Smith did on the joe rogan podcast about Johnson's ho hum attitude about libertarianism that i found entertaining and accurate.

I also despise most establishment republicans. McCain, Graham, Christie, etc in particular. I've roasted them a number of times when they conflict with libertarianism.
I'm a firm advocate of the NAP and libertarianism, open anarcho-capitalist, and you'd be hard pressed to find me advocating any anti-libertarian position in any of my posts.
There really isnt any merit-based question of where my loyalties lie.

Like i was saying, its whiny leftists getting mad that i disagree with democrat policies so often, making shit up to criticize me personally instead of having an argument against what I say.
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in my head i thought you were a non-smoker in favor of legalization, that was the "vague" bit rather than meaning noncommittal.

the cop bit, especially with victim-less crime enforcement was a gimme point for any libertarian id say. i have yet to hear a libertarian argument for tough on crime enforcement (as compared to say the split over abortion).

Mainly though, i don't consider you a shill for republicans, i consider you a republican who justifies your positions based on the NAP. I know u hated johnson and are not a fan of most socially focused libertarians. I think this exemplifies one of the issues libertarians have though, many libertarians are just republicans with a principle driven ideology rather than a religious one or one that blindly follows doctrines. Which leaves behind the left leaners, and come time to vote neither of the groups can count on each other to vote for the party like either of the big 2 parties can.


when you say republican do you mean capitalist? I wouldn't consider a standard republican view to be the legalization of all drugs. The biggest agreement republicans and ancaps seem to have is the free market, and ancaps think republicans don't go nearly far enough.

republicans also often stress the importance of christianity and christian culture in general, I never see cambo do this. I think there are a lot of right-leaning people who are non-religious but respect christianity's importance on western culture
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 7 2017 05:54pm)
I voted for Johnson twice but wanted him to be more informed on libertarianism, push more actual libertarian policies and stop acting like a moron and fruitcake. He wasn't libertarian enough in my view. I prefer radical libertarians.
Theres a bit by Dave Smith did on the joe rogan podcast about Johnson's ho hum attitude about libertarianism that i found entertaining and accurate.

I also despise most establishment republicans. McCain, Graham, Christie, etc in particular. I've roasted them a number of times when they conflict with libertarianism.
I'm a firm advocate of the NAP and libertarianism, open anarcho-capitalist, and you'd be hard pressed to find me advocating any anti-libertarian position in any of my posts.
There really isnt any merit-based question of where my loyalties lie.

Like i was saying, its whiny leftists getting mad that i disagree with democrat policies so often, making shit up to criticize me personally instead of having an argument against what I say.


Quote (majorblood @ Dec 7 2017 06:06pm)
when you say republican do you mean capitalist? I wouldn't consider a standard republican view to be the legalization of all drugs. The biggest agreement republicans and ancaps seem to have is the free market, and ancaps think republicans don't go nearly far enough.

republicans also often stress the importance of christianity and christian culture in general, I never see cambo do this. I think there are a lot of right-leaning people who are non-religious but respect christianity's importance on western culture


I think to clarify I base a lot of what i think someone is on what issues they stress above what their overall answers to partisan questions. I don't think that Cam is a stereotypical republican, simply that most of the topics he(you) actively engage in are to express heavily right leaning beliefs.

I asked about left leaning beliefs originally because i was wondering if there is a topic which comes up regulary in which Cam has a left leaning position that he fails to express, a solidly held but low priority belief.

I mean its all well and good to have a list of beliefs that are on both sides of the line, but if you only care about issues on one side of that line...

Overall I think Cam enjoys going after leftists more often because his argument style is effecting against hyperbole, which is rampant in opposition politics. I'd love to log on here some day and see Cam tearing all sides a new one or even really going after republicans at all, on really any issue. Truth is it rarely happens. Combination of mostly right winged beliefs and preferred targets in my opinion. honestly if you remove thor, skinned, frenchie and fender cam prob posts what twice a day?

there is also a sprinkle of confirmation bias at play, the two prominent left leaning beliefs are rare topics of conversation, weeds slowly getting legalized and cop shootings were so 2015.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 7 2017 06:21pm
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I think to clarify I base a lot of what i think someone is on what issues they stress above what their overall answers to partisan questions. I don't think that Cam is a stereotypical republican, simply that most of the topics he(you) actively engage in are to express heavily right leaning beliefs.

I asked about left leaning beliefs originally because i was wondering if there is a topic which comes u regulary in which Cam has a left leaning position that he fails to express, a solidly held but low priority belief.

I mean its all well and good to have a list of beliefs that are on both sides of the line, but if you only care about issues on one side of that line...

Overall I think Cam enjoys going after leftists more often because his argument style is effecting against hyperbole, which is rampant in opposition politics. I'd love to log on here some day and see Cam tearing all sides a new one or even really going after republicans at all, on really any issue. Truth is it rarely happens. Combination of mostly right winged beliefs and preferred targets in my opinion. honestly if you remove thor, skinned, frenchie and fender cam prob posts what twice a day?

there is also a sprinkle of confirmation bias at play, the two prominent left leaning beliefs are rare topics of conversation, weeds slowly getting legalized and cop shootings were so 2015.


American libertarianism is often classified as right wing or right-libertarian, as is economic freedom on the more basic charts.
If you really understand what libertarianism is there would be less mystery here and less reason to expect vocal support of lefty beliefs.

Libertarianism doesnt suddenly change based on contemporary political parties in order to have a clean split between them on issues.
If republicans are pushing tax cuts and cutting regulations and democrats are equating it with death and armageddon, expecting libertarians to toe a middle ground is nonsensical.
If leftists on jsp are attacking libertarian beliefs and attacking me personally while trump supporters are mostly content that im not some filthy commie leftist, its not surprising who i'm going to argue with more there either.
I argued against trump when it was Rand vs Trump. When trump or the republicans are on the more libertarian side of an issue and leftist hysteria ensues where do you think i should stand?

Confirmation bias is accurate.
What we have very few of on jsp these days are establishment republicans and neocon types.
widow literally died. we used to argue a lot.
icemage turned into a leftist. i would bash him for being a chris christie billboard.
what we do have are plenty of socialists and leftists from other countries and democrats.

I have much more in common with the redcoat krugman fanboy than many of the leftists i argue with. Thats how far left and crazy its gotten.
He at least recognizes some basics of economics/capitalism and refutes the democrat tabloid/chief warren talking point stuff from time to time.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 7 2017 07:08pm
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