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Sep 14 2017 05:14am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 3 2017 09:45pm)
As far as optics, this puts our country very clearly in the right direction on the issue of immigration. In a market with natives that are facing drastic underemployment problems, this will remedy the problem at the source. Third world immigrants are not contributing to our way of life and this will decrease their hindrance.






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Sep 14 2017 05:18am
record time on that 180
he just tired of everyone hating him, or...?
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Quote (chemoshots @ Sep 14 2017 06:18am)
record time on that 180
he just tired of everyone hating him, or...?


Something something 4d chess maga.
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Sep 14 2017 05:33am
Quote (chemoshots @ Sep 14 2017 03:18am)
record time on that 180
he just tired of everyone hating him, or...?


pacing and leading

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5. Pacing and Leading: Trump always takes the extreme position on matters of safety and security for the country, even if those positions are unconstitutional, impractical, evil, or something that the military would refuse to do. Normal people see this as a dangerous situation. Trained persuaders like me see this as something called pacing and leading. Trump “paces” the public – meaning he matches them in their emotional state, and then some. He does that with his extreme responses on immigration, fighting ISIS, stop-and-frisk, etc. Once Trump has established himself as the biggest bad-ass on the topic, he is free to “lead,” which we see him do by softening his deportation stand, limiting his stop-and-frisk comment to Chicago, reversing his first answer on penalties for abortion, and so on. If you are not trained in persuasion, Trump look scary. If you understand pacing and leading, you might see him as the safest candidate who has ever gotten this close to the presidency. That’s how I see him.


http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to
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Sep 14 2017 06:49am
So far it looks like the Trump cult is doing nothing but criticizing this recent move. We'll see what happens, but Pelosi and Schumer are claiming Trump agreed to the DACA/border security deal without wall funding.
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Sep 14 2017 07:02am
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that was a very long-winded way to say
"4D chess, lul"
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Sep 14 2017 07:10am
Quote (chemoshots @ Sep 14 2017 05:02am)
that was a very long-winded way to say
"4D chess, lul"


you can be camp:
1) drumpf is literally hitler and is a russian agent and will kill all the gays and ruin everything. his voters are all neo-nazis and this just isn't right!
2) trump is an idiot, i am smarter than him, everything he does is because he's dumb and i'm so much smarter. his voters are all idiots just like him
3) trump's success is due in part from his persuasive ability and it's rational to view his behavior using a more sophisticated approach. people who voted for him were persuaded by him
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you can be camp:
1) drumpf is literally hitler and is a russian agent and will kill all the gays and ruin everything. his voters are all neo-nazis and this just isn't right!
2) trump is an idiot, i am smarter than him, everything he does is because he's dumb and i'm so much smarter. his voters are all idiots just like him
3) trump's success is due in part from his persuasive ability and it's rational to view his behavior using a more sophisticated approach. people who voted for him were persuaded by him


+1 analysis.

Hilary "Savior" Clinton just explained this in her best selling $1.00 memoir. She basically says if you didn't vote for me then Fuck you. Naturally, she blamed every conceivable reason/group for her loss. Voters, Russians, Nazis, White people, Silly Womenz who listened to their man about her jailings, Comey, Chicago Deep Dish Pizza, Comrade Bernie "Pudding Cup" Sanders, Obama, George Bush, Global Warming effecting our minds, Liberals in Hollywood, Illegals, not enough dead people voting for her, voter fraud, People who put ketchup on hot dogs, Trump, Trumpsters, Trump's alter ego - Drumpf, Excellence and his D2JSP posts, Fender's hate speech, hate speech in general, PaRD, Joe Biden, Kid Rock's popularity or lack their of in MI, MAGA, DACA, ACA, Chicago Cubs winning the world series, Losing her "hot sauce" bottle from her purse, Bill Clinton, sexism, bigots, the new iphone, Trump being a Warlock, the recent string of bad Spiderman moves, Spiderman movies in General, Poor GoT story writing and episode creation.

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Sep 14 2017 08:11am
allowing the dreamers to stay is the right move. but it must happen with no path to citizenship, no right to bring their entire families and ofc big improvements for border security. preferably couple it with the RAISE act.


if trump really grants them not only amnesty but citizenship and doesnt get something VERY good in return, his base will riot and he will be completely fucked. his approval rating is at 38.x% still. the majority of the country still hates his guts, and some bending over to immigration lobbyists wont net him more than maybe 2-5% among his critics.. if he conversely loses his base of around 22% in that situation, he rapidly approaches "wont even finish his first term"-territory.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 14 2017 08:12am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 14 2017 09:11am)
allowing the dreamers to stay is the right move. but it must happen with no path to citizenship, no right to bring their entire families and ofc big improvements for border security. preferably couple it with the RAISE act.


if trump really grants them not only amnesty but citizenship and doesnt get something VERY good in return, his base will riot and he will be completely fucked. his approval rating is at 38.x% still. the majority of the country still hates his guts, and some bending over to immigration lobbyists wont net him more than maybe 2-5% among his critics.. if he conversely loses his base of around 22% in that situation, he rapidly approaches "wont even finish his first term"-territory.


Why not? If Trump doesn't think they should be held accountable for being brought here illegally, why shouldn't they have a chance to earn their citizenship? They can go die on a battlefield for America but they can't earn their citizenship?

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 14 2017 08:39am
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