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Mar 28 2023 09:01am
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Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 28 2023 10:54am)
As I said, the rifles are used because they're school shooters are unoriginal. Take away rifles and they'll migrate to handguns. The shooter in this case was 28 years old.

Bold - Which lends credence to the pro-2nd amendment argument. Assault weapons bans are not sensible, strictly tailored measures designed to increase public safety. They're a first step towards the general elimination of the 2nd amendment.


Handguns do less damage to bodies than rifles. We can point to any observer of Sandy Hook to prove that.
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Quote (IceMage @ 28 Mar 2023 16:19)
A fair point imo.

We could also mention the most tyrannical leader in recent American history is Trump, who was endorsed by the NRA and not interested in gun control.


i would argue that trump very much doesn't care. if his base was staunchly pro gun control, he'd have no problem with that either. he'd just change a few one-liners during his "speeches". he simply doesn't give a shit, he's not a gun nut, let alone a principled proponent of constitutional "rights". his remarks about seizing guns without due process really speak volumes - had a democrat made them, you wouldn't hear the end of it.

the simple truth is that it really doesn't matter - and hasn't for a long time. if anything, guns are something that actually benefits tyrannical leaders aiming to seize power in america. not the guns themselves necessarily, but certainly the divide on the issue.

the whole "debate" around guns has been framed in a way (ironically by using terms like "freedom" and "rights" - while the US incarcerates more people than any other nation, and while individual rights have been eroded significantly in recent decades) that made a radical minority so unreasonable and allergic to common sense arguments, that they became an easily targeted and instrumentalised voting block for (wannabe) fascists. a majority of them will happily support basically any cruelty, any violation of democratic principles, as long as they can keep their advertised illusion of "freedom" - in the form of an instrument that is many times more likely to end up severely hurting or killing their loved ones or themselves than any "bad guy" coming for their stuff, let alone a "tyrannical leader".
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Mar 28 2023 09:18am
Maybe remove some of the gun restrictions IE (Magazines, clips, style?) that are going on in certain states.
Tell gun manufacturers that with these changes or in "general" some # like 5% or something of sales goes to mental health programs and/or gun user safety classes.
As much as the idea of gun laws makes sense I just don't see it making that much of an impact.
Keep standard background checks and a waiting time to be universal.
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Quote (fender @ Mar 28 2023 12:12pm)
i would argue that trump very much doesn't care. if his base was staunchly pro gun control, he'd have no problem with that either. he'd just change a few one-liners during his "speeches". he simply doesn't give a shit, he's not a gun nut, let alone a principled proponent of constitutional "rights". his remarks about seizing guns without due process really speak volumes - had a democrat made them, you wouldn't hear the end of it.

the simple truth is that it really doesn't matter - and hasn't for a long time. if anything, guns are something that actually benefits tyrannical leaders aiming to seize power in america. not the guns themselves necessarily, but certainly the divide on the issue.

the whole "debate" around guns has been framed in a way (ironically by using terms like "freedom" and "rights" - while the US incarcerates more people than any other nation, and while individual rights have been eroded significantly in recent decades) that made a radical minority so unreasonable and allergic to common sense arguments, that they became an easily targeted and instrumentalised voting block for (wannabe) fascists. a majority of them will happily support basically any cruelty, any violation of democratic principles, as long as they can keep their advertised illusion of "freedom" - in the form of an instrument that is many times more likely to end up severely hurting or killing their loved ones or themselves than any "bad guy" coming for their stuff, let alone a "tyrannical leader".


Me when I see another page long fender rant

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Quote (Djunior @ Mar 28 2023 03:39pm)
I bet they have names like everyone else therefor can be tracked by the authorities. If they fuck up it's probably back to the front.

Someone has to do the job of storming enemy strong points, like it or not. Pretty soon the Ukrainians will have to throw units against Russian strong points when their counter offensive kicks off.


Yes someone has to "do the job of storming enemy strong points"
When you have a madcunt dictator running a shit show of a paper tiger military :rofl:

Meanwhile in the democratic EU and NATO countries. Nobody is having to storm any strongpoints, but thats just a coincidence right? :rolleyes:
Maybe its because we all froze to death this winter or something? Yeah probably that.
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Mar 28 2023 09:27am
pretty clear to me this is a false flag by an pro Christian, anti gun & anti drag show organization. there's really only one clear path forward, guns in every Christian bible study classroom and death penalties for any doctor who prescribed estrogen.

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Mar 28 2023 10:01am)


any guess on what kind of butterfly those eyebrows will morph into?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 28 2023 09:28am
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Mar 28 2023 09:31am
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 28 2023 03:33pm)
What harm do these rifles do that isn't done a hundred-fold by hand-guns? We need to make informed, data driven decisions.


I'd argue what does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for?

I get having a hunting rifle, thats for hunting. Do people have assault rifles for assaulting?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 28 2023 12:27pm)

any guess on what kind of butterfly those eyebrows will morph into?


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Mar 28 2023 09:35am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 28 2023 10:06am)
Handguns do less damage to bodies than rifles. We can point to any observer of Sandy Hook to prove that.


And they're still far more deadly in general, even on a 1:1 comparison basis, look at V-Tech where he wasn't gunning down defenseless toddlers with nowhere to run. Handguns are more maneuverable in enclosed spaces where rifles are unwieldy, harder to be disarmed, easier to shoot someone who would try to grapple with you. Rifles have a range for efficiency, the Las Vegas shooting shows that limit. The kind of urban and in-door environments we're putting this disproportionate focus on, are the areas where handguns already kill thousands of times more people. Heck, rifle deaths become almost statistically insignificant.

But this is all a tired back and forth that's been done to death in every gun control debate.
My real question after all of this is, if the left is so serious about curbing gun violence, why wouldn't they push for actually enforcing gun laws? What's the point of passing new laws if you won't enforce them anyway?
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