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Jul 6 2018 01:54pm
Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Jul 6 2018 02:07pm)
This title is super awko


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Jul 6 2018 02:51pm
Quote (Horford @ 6 Jul 2018 12:54)
irony, considering you'd probably vote for her.

are you incapable of answering my questions or something?

I think you fail to realize trump cultists/the uninformed G.O.P. vote against their own interests in a lot of cases because they are so infatuated with Trumps anti-immigrant, white-nationalists, america-first rhetoric. regular tactics don't work against the current G.O.P. and people like you haven't seemed to learn that yet which is why I think Trump will get re-elected right now as it stands.


bold is the only part the voters that decide elections really care about.

or did all those voters in 5 states, that flipped to Trump in 2016, change from enlightened benevolent opened-minded citizens when they voted for Obama twice (2008, 2012) to all of a sudden reich-wing white nationalists when they voted for the orange person over the white person in 2016
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Jul 6 2018 03:24pm
Quote (Horford @ 6 Jul 2018 18:44)
because the moderates that are in the senate/congress right now have absolutely no power.



wtf dude, are you serious? senators susan collins and lisa murkowski (and, to a slightly lesser degree, joe manchin) are textbook moderates and currently hold tremendous power in a tightly balanced senate where those three tend to be the median senators. these moderate senators doomed the GOP's efforts at repealing or replacing obamacare. (McCain stole the spotlight, but his contribution to sinking the replacing efforts is no greater than that of collins and murkowski!)
They are the senators who determine how far to the right Trump can go with his new SCOTUS pick that replaces justice kennedy. they were the pivotal votes in the successful passage of the tax overhaul. they are the ones that can reject or confirm Trump's cabinet nominees and his appointments for federal courts.

and if moderate house republicans organized and fought for their ideas as effectively as the freedom caucus does, they could be a lot more influential. the moderates in the house dont lack power, they lack the balls to use their power by bucking the party leadership, and perhaps even the president. it is their lack of courage, their opportunistic risk-averseness, that makes them irrelevant.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 6 2018 02:24pm)
wtf dude, are you serious? senators susan collins and lisa murkowski (and, to a slightly lesser degree, joe manchin) are textbook moderates and currently hold tremendous power in a tightly balanced senate where those three tend to be the median senators. these moderate senators doomed the GOP's efforts at repealing or replacing obamacare. (McCain stole the spotlight, but his contribution to sinking the replacing efforts is no greater than that of collins and murkowski!)
They are the senators who determine how far to the right Trump can go with his new SCOTUS pick that replaces justice kennedy. they were the pivotal votes in the successful passage of the tax overhaul. they are the ones that can reject or confirm Trump's cabinet nominees and his appointments for federal courts.

and if moderate house republicans organized and fought for their ideas as effectively as the freedom caucus does, they could be a lot more influential. the moderates in the house dont lack power, they lack the balls to use their power by bucking the party leadership, and perhaps even the president. it is their lack of courage, their opportunistic risk-averseness, that makes them irrelevant.


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Jul 6 2018 04:43pm
Has this gone viral yet?

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Jul 6 2018 05:30pm
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context/date? I assume it was when the democrats abolished the filibuster for lower court nominees, which set the precedent that paved the way for the GOP to abolish it for supreme court nominees as well.

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Jul 6 2018 05:48pm
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context/date? I assume it was when the democrats abolished the filibuster for lower court nominees, which set the precedent that paved the way for the GOP to abolish it for supreme court nominees as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qduJjDJnQfo&feature=youtu.be

Published on Jan 31, 2017



Possibly went viral a year and a half ago. :D
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Jul 6 2018 06:02pm
Quote (excellence @ Jul 6 2018 04:51pm)
bold is the only part the voters that decide elections really care about.

or did all those voters in 5 states, that flipped to Trump in 2016, change from enlightened benevolent opened-minded citizens when they voted for Obama twice (2008, 2012) to all of a sudden reich-wing white nationalists when they voted for the orange person over the white person in 2016


Trump got the racists to show up that never cared about voting before
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 6 2018 05:24pm)
wtf dude, are you serious? senators susan collins and lisa murkowski (and, to a slightly lesser degree, joe manchin) are textbook moderates and currently hold tremendous power in a tightly balanced senate where those three tend to be the median senators. these moderate senators doomed the GOP's efforts at repealing or replacing obamacare. (McCain stole the spotlight, but his contribution to sinking the replacing efforts is no greater than that of collins and murkowski!)
They are the senators who determine how far to the right Trump can go with his new SCOTUS pick that replaces justice kennedy. they were the pivotal votes in the successful passage of the tax overhaul. they are the ones that can reject or confirm Trump's cabinet nominees and his appointments for federal courts.

and if moderate house republicans organized and fought for their ideas as effectively as the freedom caucus does, they could be a lot more influential. the moderates in the house dont lack power, they lack the balls to use their power by bucking the party leadership, and perhaps even the president. it is their lack of courage, their opportunistic risk-averseness, that makes them irrelevant.


I should've elaborated better; they're powerless in helping stop Trumps takeover of the G.O.P./supreme court. they voted for the tax scam, and McCain should get way more credit for saving Obamacare as he isn't a Moderate IMO, yet did the right thing (trump is still actively trying to sabotage it though), not Collins or Murkowski, who were pretty much expected to vote for it (especially Murkowski, who's state is isolated and really needed O-care).

Here's my issue with Collins, she does good things and then does terrible things that cancel out the good she does. Like now, shes saying she wont vote for someone hostile to roe v wade, yet at the same time, she said she won't ask for a nominees personal opinion on a specific issue... lmao ... like give me break, if trump puts up a qualified nominee and not someone from Fox News, she will vote to confirm them, trust me. If she was a real moderate IMO she wouldn't consider anyone but Merrick Garland or refuse to consider a nominee until after the Mueller probe ends. She's a faux-moderate establishment Republican.
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Jul 6 2018 06:16pm
Quote (Horford @ Jul 6 2018 05:02pm)
Trump got the racists to show up that never cared about voting before

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Republicans are reliable voters in general and they are also often better at marketing to that base

Lumping them all in as racists and Nazis has never worked, why stick with a failing strategy?

Trump does enjoy a following of people that are quite reprehensible but there are also people on the left that have gone way over the edge as well much like you and your rhetoric

Perhaps many of his voters cared about things affecting their own lives and families that had nothing to do with what you label? Poverty and struggling is tough for white people too

Maybe non socialists voted for the dude not calling them names like Nazis racists and deplorables?

people that could be brought over to the Dem side for a candidate not shitting on them for not fitting in their shrinking tent?

People are tired of that bullshit from the left, even people that agree with them on many issues

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Quote (Beowulf @ Jul 6 2018 08:16pm)
Republicans are reliable voters in general and they are also often better at marketing to that base

Lumping them all in as racists and Nazis has never worked, why stick with a failing strategy?

Trump does enjoy a following of people that are quite reprehensible but there are also people on the left that have gone way over the edge as well much like you and your rhetoric

Perhaps many of his voters cared about things affecting their own lives and families that had nothing to do with what you label? Poverty and struggling is tough for white people too

Maybe non socialists voted for the dude not calling them names like Nazis racists and deplorables?

people that could be brought over to the Dem side for a candidate not shitting on them for not fitting in their shrinking tent?

People are tired of that bullshit from the left, even people that agree with them on many issues


I was half-joking relax, probably only 50% were racists.
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