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Mar 25 2020 10:45am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 25 2020 05:41pm)
i doubt both the veracity of the 70% rate, and the 1.3% mortality rate, not now, but long term. mainly from looking at Italy as a worse case scenario.

italy's population is right around 60 million, italy currently has 69k cases, and are SLOWLY going over the hump in their curve. and they're essentially 1 month into the fight.

so, just to play with numbers, let's say Italy holds a 6k-new-cases/day rate for another month solid, completely holding their position on the curve and not getting better.

30 x 6k = 180k cases. they currently have a 6kdeaths/8krecovered rate. REALLY bad. way worse than the mortality rate projected for the US. but they have a transmission rate that's no where near 70%, not even by an order of magnitude.

just as rough numbers we're looking at 200k cases over 2 months, then summer will curb the curve. the number of cases will either need to go up a LOT per day, or it will have to hold out for months to get even 10% of their population.


none of these ideas am i married to, im just looking at numbers and trends over time and trying to have a mildly optimistic outlook. im by no means in the "hoax" camp.


Modeling this is more complicated than simple multiplications. You know this.

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Mar 25 2020 10:51am
Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 25 2020 12:45pm)
Modeling this is more complicated than simple multiplications. You know this.


This, and the fact that this is a multivariate issue. If you were to regress the outcome of deaths, you would need like xx independent variables and understanding how to weight them in the function which is pretty much impossible to figure out at this point.

But i agree with Snipa's optimistic view. If i had a million dollars and some one said you have to either choose 1mil more or less deaths in US over the next year, i would go for the under 9/10 times.

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Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 25 2020 11:45am)
Modeling this is more complicated than simple multiplications. You know this.


of course it is, but that doesnt change orders of magnitude. in order for italy, in a quarantine (a bad one) to hit even 10% of their population in transmission in total numbers would still need to go up, OR we'd need a prolonged event beyond the summer die-down that's also being projected.

just some numbers rounded off:

Italy:
pop = 60 m
10% transmition rate = 6 m
current cases total = 69k
new cases per day = 6k
recovered = 8k
deaths = 6k

30 more days at 6kcases/day = 180k cases + 69k current cases = 249k cases, total. which is .0415% of their population.

but lets say its 10x more infected than that, 4%. now lets say its 10x worse than THAT. 40%. aka the lower number in the projections of infected.


are my numbers solid? no, just fucking around. but being off in my simple math by a factor of 100 compared to the "best case" being projected, seems odd to me.

edit: im also doing this math on the fly with a phone calculator. so correct anything that isnt rounding.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 25 2020 10:52am
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https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1242849535703101444

We have complete idiots running our government.
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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2020 12:12pm)
https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1242849535703101444

We have complete idiots running our government.


on one hand a joint statement on an event that's on every single news channel and website 24-7 isn't really a big deal, but holy fuck what a stupid thing to insist upon.

hopefully a pattern emerges of idiots getting elected worldwide based on simplistic narratives that turn out to be awful and incompetent rulers, and it's coined The Trump Effect for all of history.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 25 2020 11:15am
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Mar 25 2020 11:18am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2020 01:12pm)
https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1242849535703101444

We have complete idiots running our government.


Media takes the cake.

News blamed Trump for a random 60 year old woman eating fish tank cleaner.
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Quote (IceMage @ 25 Mar 2020 18:12)
https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1242849535703101444

We have complete idiots running our government.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82599638&f=119&p=556164464

well, according to the trumpapologists here, this is just a reasonable way to hold chinese leadership accountable... it's just that the rest of the world is too stupid to understand that brilliant plan...
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Mar 25 2020 11:30am
Quote (IceMage @ 25 Mar 2020 11:12)
https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1242849535703101444

We have complete idiots running our government.


I'm glad we have at least on true patriot willing to die on that hill. Must be held accountable!
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Mar 25 2020 11:35am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2020 12:12pm)
https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1242849535703101444

We have complete idiots running our government.


Conservatives believe in magic words

"Radical Islamic Terrorism", "Wuhan/China Virus", etc.

If you don't call it the right thing you can't affect it.
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