Quote (tommyd323 @ Apr 19 2026 09:39pm)

When I snap my fingers, you will forget that you were ever gay.

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2026 10:29pm)

:rofl:



Shifting the burden of proof and argument from ignorance.

Quote (addone @ Apr 20 2026 04:53pm)

Link post # where you provided this proof? Because all you have been doing is trying to talk around it by going off into tangents into some meta conversation about ontological rocks.

The meme is a non sequitur because it does not follow the statement I've made. You are using it incorrectly to pathologize me instead of engaging with what I said and what the verse actually says.
Christians themselves do not agree on the interpretations and even the number of books in their own bible. Yet you accuse me of "aggressively misunderstanding"
Good one



I'll reframe my response to TiStuff for your argument from ignorance. How does "Israel" prove god or creation narrative?
Will I find jesus sitting in a cave by Red Sea somewhere?

Quote (addone @ Apr 20 2026 12:44am)

So when you say you provided proof you actually haven't provided anything.

Back into talking around proof with meta conversations.

Let me ask you something. Why are you this afraid to provide proof? If you ask me to provide proof of a dog ill send you a picture of a dog, I can bring a dog to your house and have you pet him. I can send you dna samples, video of a dog, newspaper articles, millions of books with independent people talking about the dog. You can go to a pet store or animal shelter and experience having a dog, take the dog to the park with other dogs. I will not throw bad faith logical fallacies in your face like well you cant prove dogs don't exist or just believe in dogs or this book told me dogs are real and therefore you should also believe they are real.
No I will not waste your time with ontological truths or philosophical meta conversations.

I will be direct here is the proof and then I will present the said proof.

Why can't out be honest with me and provide the proof I ask?

Quote (Kaltrato @ Apr 20 2026 01:51am)

You are dodging his question once again. You have to proof or bring at least slight evidence for your claim that you cannot account for reason without god. You cant just say it and think thats the proof. Thats not how that works, bro.

Quote (Kaltrato @ Apr 20 2026 01:51am)

You are dodging his question once again. You have to proof or bring at least slight evidence for your claim that you cannot account for reason without god. You cant just say it and think thats the proof. Thats not how that works, bro.

Quote (majorblood @ Apr 20 2026 08:16pm)

before you can justify empirical observation you have to justify induction, which you have to justify logic. are you literally incapable of higher level thinking? is this an iq thing?

you’re making a massive category error with this man, God is not a thing inside the universe that you can put in a cage or run a DNA test on. God is the source of being itself.

if I asked you to prove that the laws of logic exist, could you bring the law of identity to my house? could I pet the law of identity? can you send me dna samples of the law of identity? you would have to engage in a meta conversation to prove they are the necessary foundation for everything else. by your own logic, if you can't put the law of non-contradiction in a pet store, it must not be real.

the proof of God is that without Him, you cannot account for reason, logic, or truth or the logical argument in its simplest form:

x is the necessary precondition for y

y, therefore x

you claimed 2+2=5 is possible and that truth is just a social vote for survival, this means you have surrendered the argument completely. instead of even attempting to understand the most basic foundations of logic you pretend logic doesn't matter while also demanding proof at the same time... do you not understand how this is incoherent?

if logic is just a vote or a social construct, then your demand for proof is most people are religious therefore God is real. if it’s objective, then you have to deal with the Greek grammar of John 10:30 that I gave you, which you are still aggressively dodging.

so is truth just a social vote people make, or is it actually objective and universal no matter what someone subjectively thinks. If it's objective and universal, justify it, because I can and in a debate whoever can justify their position wins. You are bad at debate.

Quote (addone @ Apr 20 2026 03:48am)

Firstly you claimed jesus was god and was real physical person who performed all those magical deeds like resurrection, healing cancer, walking on water etc. Bible claims all kinds of physical acts from jonah surviving in a belly of the fish to sending plagues on Egyptians. Those are the things you can prove because they are physical claims. So can't hide behind

Secondly how are you detecting god what is your methodology and can we test it to replicate the same results. Do you say some kind of prayer and there is a voice that begins talking to you? Is there some kind of a feeling how are you able to know and sense god?

I have follow up questions but this is a good place to start.

Quote (CPK001 @ Apr 20 2026 09:45pm)

You're the one asking for physical proof and saying that you cannot trust the Bible. You can go to Israel and see all the things in person and do your investigation over there.

You will find that when you compare the realities of the world of Israel with what is written in the Bible, the accounts will align and there is your proof. I mean, you keep asking and asking and asking, knowing that we cannot bring anything to you.

I'll ask two of my questions which you never answered. What would you change about your life and your sinful nature if you had your own road to Damascus moment?

My other question is: what is your grand purpose in life since you do not submit your life to Jesus?

No matter your life's philosophy, you're still going to die one day.

Quote (addone @ Apr 20 2026 04:22am)

What things will I see in person? Will jesus show up after my plane lands at tel aviv airport? Why can't he visit me, i thought he was everywhere and can teleport. You are dodging my questions harder than neo dodging bullets.
I actually been to Egypt myself and didn't find any sign of jews being slaves during the times when the bible claims they were supposed to escape. There is literally no mention of them or the plagues or the theatrical chase with parting of the sea in any of the egyptian records. Its like the story in the bible didn't happen... strange, I thought you said it would be proof..

So I ask again how exactly does going to Israel will produce proof of your god?
Also I already stated that photographs, videos and even audio recordings would be sufficient evidence for me. So not sure why you recommending i need to go to some place.

Quote (addone @ Apr 20 2026 12:01am)

Do you get to decide what the bible means?

If the bible has one meaning then why are there so many bibles? And why are there tens of thousands on interpretations by Christians themselves? Clearly there is more than one.

Not only can the Christians not agree on the interpretation of the bible they cannot even agree on how many books there are in the bible.

Protestant Bible: Contains 66 books (39 Old Testament, 27 New Testament).
Catholic Bible: Contains 73 books (46 Old Testament, 27 New Testament), including seven additional deuterocanonical books.
Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Bible: Contains 76 books.
Ethiopian Orthodox Bible: Contains the largest canon with 81 books.
Jewish Bible (Tanakh): Contains 24 books (equivalent to the Protestant Old Testament but arranged differently).

In light of this have you considered your interpretation could be wrong?




Well you posted this somewhat irrelevant picture to this thread because you hate jews. I simply pointed out how its hypocritical of you when christians do exactly the same. I even provided you with a reference of christians doing exactly that throughout history.

Secondly I am all for learning and understanding this is why I keep asking for proof of your god. If you can provide legitimate proof and not these half cooked logical fallacies I will examine them with consideration. But this sounds like another excuse because you want to save yourself the embarrassment.

Why don't you try again and if you ask me to be open and honest I would ask you to be the same with me. If you can do that let's have this conversation.

Quote (majorblood @ Apr 20 2026 11:00pm)

I am not claiming Jesus was God, He is God. He is risen.

Before you can even empirically critique the potential claims in the bible we must first justify empiricism itself. You are acting, again, on the myth of the given. You have no neutral view, everything is theory-laden and therefore you must prove the preconditions for the possibility of knowledge itself within your worldview before you can even attempt to critique mine.

God is not an "object" we can study empirically, He is known through the Nous.

You completely dodged my critique and are being a logical parasite right now, as in, you're borrowing from my worldview to critique it. You have no ground to stand on to even critique me unless you assume my position to be true. Is logic universal and invariant or just a social construct, and if it's a social construct how can we possibly "prove" anything other than a vote?

Quote (addone @ Apr 20 2026 01:16pm)

1. Said you provided proof. When asked where post # you refused to provide it. Lie
2. The bible clearly claims many physical acts including jesus being in the flesh. Yet you are making excuses to not provide this evidence.
3. Despite the physical proof I even asked you how else by which method are you able to sense or know god at all. If not physically you must have some other way. Can we test it and arrive at the same conclusion. You dodged to provide even that.

Stop talking about anything else if you don't have any proof then say that you don't have it. You are being rude and not engaging with my question.
If you would like to talk about definitions, preconditions, epistemology, ontological rocks or any of the immaterial philosophical meta conversations you are welcome to have a separate debate in a different thread.
Here we only deal with physical proof