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Jun 23 2018 03:56pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 23 2018 04:51pm)
I think it's time we get a hold of Ken Bone and see where the heart of America stands on this issue

it's been far too long


How does it make any sense though? Trump's a divisive asshole every week... but if a few liberals are mean in public a bunch of independents are going to get turned off the Democratic party?
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Jun 23 2018 03:57pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 23 2018 05:55pm)
The owner is a woman.



Back in the days, shitposting meant something.


Triggered by facts
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Jun 23 2018 03:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 23 2018 05:56pm)
How does it make any sense though? Trump's a divisive asshole every week... but if a few liberals are mean in public a bunch of independents are going to get turned off the Democratic party?


Hillary and Obama called half of America racist. Thats much worse than Trump has ever done.
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Jun 23 2018 03:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 23 2018 02:56pm)
How does it make any sense though? Trump's a divisive asshole every week... but if a few liberals are mean in public a bunch of independents are going to get turned off the Democratic party?


The last few years and especially the last year I got old and probably too moderate

Probably have low T, I see both your points and think to some extent you're both right I just don't know politically which means more or less votes

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Jun 23 2018 04:03pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 23 Jun 2018 14:54)
George Will is a fierce supporter of Reaganomics and the Iraq war. In general, he stands for the Republican party of Reagan and W. Bush. I've said it before and I'll say it again: under Trump, the GOP is undergoing a big policy realignment on many fields. He's pushing the party away from the consensus of the beltway, of the political and media establishment.

On the flip side, he's gaining ground with the white working class, he's gaining ground in the midwest and perhaps he's even gaining ground with many minority voters who are tending to the conservative side of things anyway. Keep in mind: despite all the talk about rapists and crime from mexico, Trump didnt lose latino voters compared to Romney, he even performed a little better with them.

But of course losing ground with media elites is creating more headlines than making inroads with ordinary people.

little georgie will is just another useful idiot the lefties all of a sudden like because he’s an anti-trumper. guys been a warmongering RINO for decades now, profiting off death and destruction. now that his time has come and gone he’s washed up, burned out, very bitter and trying in vain to cling to relevancy.
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http://www.newsweek.com/sarah-sanders-reportedly-thrown-out-virginia-restaurant-then-yelp-reviews-992762

I have mixed feelings on this. I'm a big believer in civility and decency, whether you agree with someone's politics or not.

At the same time, Trump is the most divisive president in modern history. He's not civil or decent at all... he intentionally tries not to be. And Sarah Sanders chooses to work for him.

So, while I wouldn't ever do this to her myself, I kind of like it when Americans push back in this way.

no issue at all with this. glad this business owner is showing you can refuse service to people solely on the basis that the owner doesnt like them. should be an example to be followed henceforth by americans across all spectrums.
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Jun 23 2018 04:03pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 23 2018 03:58pm)
Hillary and Obama called half of America racist. Thats much worse than Trump has ever done.


What's it like being so willing to lie to yourself?
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Jun 23 2018 04:03pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 23 2018 06:03pm)
What's it like being so willing to lie to yourself?


Cute bait
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Jun 23 2018 05:11pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 23 2018 03:48pm)
I don't buy this argument.

There's not a large group of moderates who were going to vote Democrat, but then decided to support the other side because DeNiro said "fuck Trump" or a restaurant owner made Trump's press secretary leave her restaurant. This silly narrative of "the left has to be super duper nice or Trump's going to win again!!!" is parroted by a lot of mainstream people as well... I just don't see how it makes any sense.

Plus, you have the most divisive president in recent history alienating moderates every day. He constantly plays to his 30-something percent base.


Everything is incremental. Hillary tried to blame her loss on the words 'basket of deplorables' at one point. Can that be quantified? Can we say that any number of people went home and changed their vote based upon one superficial line? Every time another celebrity gets up and rages against Trump, or we get more stories of Trump officials be harassed or threatened, the breakdown of general civility- it nudges that dial of public perception. I don't think "the left has to be super duper nice or Trump's going to win again"- I think trends are bigger inevitabilities than any of us can change. The left isn't going to be nice, because the left is hysterical, and its going to help Trump win again.

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Jun 23 2018 05:13pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 23 Jun 2018 21:58)
Hillary and Obama called half of America racist. Thats much worse than Trump has ever done.


I mean first off if you're referring to their comments about trump voters that's only around 25% of the population. Secondly I believe they both referred to 'a portion' of Trump voters so it's not even that. Assume 'a portion' means around half and you've got about 12.5% of the population being racists. Probably not far off the mark tbh. Pretty accurate representation of reality. But then right-wingers fucking hate reality.
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Jun 23 2018 05:17pm
Now I got to get a deniro F trump t-shirt so I don't get banned from my favorite vegan joints for being too moderate

Or have Icemage call me a gay slur or something so I can still get my hookup
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