Are the Nazis all dead yet? If not, we're still supplying and arming Nazis. Seems like another rung down the ladder from when we were supplying and arming Al Qaeda to fight our proxy war under Obama.

Goebbels would be proud of you, not me. You're a perfect example of someone who is affected by propaganda, so much so that it influences them emotionally.

The fact of the matter is, there would not be a war in Ukraine today if Obama's admin hadn't pulled off the 2014 coup that replaced Yanukovych with a pro-US/NATO government, and ultimately set the stage for further conflict and war.

That is indisputable. If you really think otherwise, then I'm not arguing with a rational person.

Using this trash logic, if Obama's parents had never had sex, they never would have had Barack, therefore the Ukraine war is their fault.

Sorry Ivan, Russia has agency, therefore the invasion is entirely their fault.

No, your analogy is not nearly the same as mine.

Mega facepalm fail from you as usual.

I just went further back in time. At the end of the day, the pertinent point is agency, which Russia possesses. Therefore, you can't pass blame elsewhere. You can use it to explain their reasoning, but Russia made a conscious choice. Russia's fault.

Please feel free to explain why Russia would have invaded without the 2014 coup since in that case there would have been no reason for them to do so.

The US bears significant responsibility for what is taking place today. I understand you don't want that to be the case, but unfortunately it is.

The "why" is irrelevant.

Also, your analogy is not equal because at the time of birth Obama was not yet a warcriminal and puppet for various elites.

He had a chance *not* to walk that path. We are all innocent upon birth. It's not his parents fault that he chose to be the biggest PoS possible.

The 2014 coup was a deliberately orchestrated thing that took serious corruption, cynicism and malfeasance to pull off.

Who governs Ukraine is not Russia's business. Fuck off, Ivan. The invasion is Russia's fault, and Russia's fault alone.

I'm not sure why people are so concerned about a war breaking out. Russia isn't going to launch a nuclear war no matter what. China isn't going to defend Russia either if it's invaded and it wouldn't surprise me if China joined in on the fun so that they can take all the land east of the Urals.

Empires rise and fall all the time and I think we're witnessing something historic.