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May 20 2015 04:49pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 20 2015 03:32pm)
Well i have dated a black woman, In college i shared an apartment with 3 guys - one was black. In my building there are black people that are not only my friends - I've shared dinner with them. Have i recommended to any black person that they attend rehab or seek work in a particular field - um idk - but i would probably only give that advice to someone in my immediate family. Ohh there was one time this black couple i knew that had some marital problems, he would get angry and hit his wife - he actually got arrested, so I talked to him about how you can't be hitting women and that when you get angry, the only solution is to go for a walk until you cool down, been 10 years and they haven't had any problems since.

As to why i called you a typical white boy I refer to your insistence that people should automatically assume that if a black person was simply involved, then there must be guilt that will be proved even though none of the actual evidence shows that. Sure it might turn out great for the white officers, but to talk about that small of a chance in the face of what seems pretty clear cut, its rather obvious that you're simply "A Great White Hope"r (James Earl Jones movie in the 70s i highly recommend) As to why they were all arrested, it's far easier to arrest everyone that might be involved as you don't wanna play all your cards to quick and basically it had to be done to quell the protests and restore order. Now we can question all the officers about their involvement and roles without them refusing to talk and incriminate themselves.


Strawman, i never insisted the black officers ARE guilty simply that they may very well be. You started out this conversation by claiming that 100% of the harm that was done to Freddie Gray was done by white police officers. Whether or not that statement turns out to be true its still a presumptuous thing to say. You have absolutely no clue whether it was 3 black, 3 white, or any mix of the two. You keep referring to "actual evidence" but from everything i found thats one video of the 3 cops carrying him to the van and a few photos that show the same. There is absolutely no evidence other than that and tat evidence proves nothing other than 3 cops carried him from where he got hurt to the van where he got hurt worse.
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You started out this conversation by claiming that 100% of the harm that was done to Freddie Gray was done by white police officers.


See you apologized for calling me a liar - but yet you continue with this this pathetic POS misunderstanding.

I was replying as to confusion as to why black outrage over this incident - because at this time the actual evidence shows white police engaging in ignoring safety concerns and that's called misconduct
Take your childish white boy nonsense and go fuck yourself, really i mean that.

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May 21 2015 07:07am
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See you apologized for calling me a liar - but yet you continue with this this pathetic POS misunderstanding.

I was replying as to confusion as to why black outrage over this incident - because at this time the actual evidence shows white police engaging in ignoring safety concerns and that's called misconduct
Take your childish white boy nonsense and go fuck yourself, really i mean that.


And you continue to lean on evidence that wouldn't stand up in a court of law as if its enough for you to understand what happened. First you claimed it was in response to someone's misunderstanding of why people were outraged, then you switch back to the 3 racist white cops narrative. You can sit on a fence and take whatever side suits you but you're misrepresenting your own argument.

Lets review in a manner you can understand.

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Your quote clearly states you implicitly think that 3 white officers are responsible for the arresting, handcuffing, and mistreatment of Freddie Gray leading to his death. You claim to know this without any knowledge affirming it other than your assumptions and a few incomplete clips. Not to mention the utter lack of ANY video or photo of Gray's initial apprehension.


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yes that statement implies that, but of course i was replying to a picture that was confused about why Black people are outraged, they are outraged because of the actual evidence,the evidence that shows white officers mistreating an innocent man. You can kindly take back the liar accusation, in fact don't - just be a typical angry white boy with excuses. It'll be easier for me to hysterical laugh at anything you say.


There is no evidence of who is responsible for the actual neck injury, only who put him in the van. To suggest otherwise is nothing but hearsay and some preconceived "evidence" you got from a single glance of the scene via a few photos and a short clip. If thats what you call evidence its prob a good thing you're not involved in the court system. Your evidence is a joke, and yet you cling to it so that the racist narrative you get hard over remains when there is a very real chance that race has alot less to do with this case then you want it to.

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You started out this conversation by claiming that 100% of the harm that was done to Freddie Gray was done by white police officers




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See you apologized for calling me a liar - but yet you continue with this this pathetic POS misunderstanding.

I was replying as to confusion as to why black outrage over this incident - because at this time the actual evidence shows white police engaging in ignoring safety concerns and that's called misconduct
Take your childish white boy nonsense and go fuck yourself, really i mean that.


You both are barking up the wrong tree, this isn't black vs white. It's blue vs all, in another example of officers doling out street justice to someone that they've already arrested, tried ,judged and found guilty. They aren't enforcing the laws they're breaking their own laws.

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You both are barking up the wrong tree, this isn't black vs white. It's blue vs all, in another example of officers doling out street justice to someone that they've already arrested, tried ,judged and found guilty. They aren't enforcing the laws they're breaking their own laws.


I will never condone street justice, i will also never condone race baiting based on incomplete facts which is the tree i was barking up. For the record i dont condone Killgore's view expressed in the original photo.
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I will never condone street justice, i will also never condone race baiting based on incomplete facts which is the tree i was barking up. For the record i dont condone Killgore's view expressed in the original photo.


I also don't like his view, I also don't condone the actions of the rioters - what I do is understand their emotions and reasoning behind being upset. They have every right to feel like Justice would slip away and nothing could be done. If the city had arrested just the white officer(s) - then it would be chaos - by arresting everyone possible, the court can find out the reality of how what happened did occur. So let the chips fall where they may.

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I also don't like his view, I also don't condone the actions of the rioters - what I do is understand their emotions and reasoning behind being upset. They have every right to feel like Justice would slip away and nothing could be done. If the city had arrested just the white officer(s) - then it would be chaos - by arresting everyone possible, the court can find out the reality of how what happened did occur. So let the chips fall where they may.


I dont agree that there would have been any difference if the city arrested 3 white officers, 3 white and 3 blacks, 6 white officers, or 6 black officers. As you eluded to it is the state that Baltimore is in that drove the anger, which makes turning on the news to see "WHITE OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER BLACK DEATH" as the chosen narrative all the more upsetting. This could have been an opportunity for the community of Baltimore to shed to light the living conditions of the city to hopefully enact change. Instead it was just a 2 week loop of the same 5 pictures, 1 video, and the same racism narrative that stands directly in the path of actual change happening. The media will continue to focus on the misbehavior of individual officers rather than the flawed adversarial nature of the police-public interaction meta and nothing will ever change, because they make 0$ off of changes to communities but a whole fat stack whenever someone tunes in to see another city burn.
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May 21 2015 11:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 21 2015 12:04pm)
I dont agree that there would have been any difference if the city arrested 3 white officers, 3 white and 3 blacks, 6 white officers, or 6 black officers. As you eluded to it is the state that Baltimore is in that drove the anger, which makes turning on the news to see "WHITE OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER BLACK DEATH" as the chosen narrative all the more upsetting. This could have been an opportunity for the community of Baltimore to shed to light the living conditions of the city to hopefully enact change. Instead it was just a 2 week loop of the same 5 pictures, 1 video, and the same racism narrative that stands directly in the path of actual change happening. The media will continue to focus on the misbehavior of individual officers rather than the flawed adversarial nature of the police-public interaction meta and nothing will ever change, because they make 0$ off of changes to communities but a whole fat stack whenever someone tunes in to see another city burn.


So now you're blaming the media and the state, maybe you should throw your TV out the window if you don't like the lies it promotes, that or change the channel. Theres a lot of ignorance in the world and that will never change. Id suggest you stop listening to Rush Limbaugh/Fox news and other Corporate Media slaves who are desperatly searching for any other reasonable excuse other than what is plainly evident.
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May 21 2015 11:38am
Quote (card_sultan @ May 21 2015 11:19am)
So now you're blaming the media and the state, maybe you should throw your TV out the window if you don't like the lies it promotes, that or change the channel. Theres a lot of ignorance in the world and that will never change. Id suggest you stop listening to Rush Limbaugh/Fox news and other Corporate Media slaves who are desperatly searching for any other reasonable excuse other than what is plainly evident.


Do i blame the media for purposely misleading people by doing things like posting riot videos from Venezuela and calling it Baltimore? Do i blame the media for purposely posting photos of Trayvon Martin that were 3-4 years old? Yes. Both sides of the media chose to upplay whatever sells the most air time, if that means ignoring certain facts to promote a hot ticket narrative they will do it with a smile. I blame the media for the public's flawed perceptions of ALOT of different situations, the police departments of america being near the top.

I dont watch the news, the statement was more of a phrase rather than my actual physical action, like "every time you turn on the news..." Secondly you constantly call me and others who are conservative on many issues Fox News or Rush's demographic. I cant watch fox news or CNN, neither is a good news station because there isnt one. Basically i think you use the FoxNews tag as an easy rebuttal to anyone conservative as if simply being conservative means your views mirror an entire news network, but it is a strawman plain and simple (in fact im not socially conservative at all on almost every issue)...
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