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Jun 12 2018 04:32pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 12 2018 04:03pm)
so politically and correct me if I'm wrong here but I'm just judging by the reactions on the various sites
both liberals and trump / his supporters opposed the AT&T merger, but business / banks sure love it.

the net neutrality people are up in arms about the monopolism, while at&t was explicitly accusing trump of interfering to try to block them


trumpshill attempts historical revisionism reframing trumps beef with cnn as opposition to mergers and monopolies
it's not very effective
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Jun 12 2018 04:40pm
So Cohen is really worried he's going to get arrested. Looks like MAGA is going to mean "My attorney got arrested"

Though if he's innocent, what's he got to worry about?
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Jun 12 2018 04:41pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Jun 12 2018 06:40pm)
So Cohen is really worried he's going to get arrested. Looks like MAGA is going to mean "My attorney got arrested"

Though if he's innocent, what's he got to worry about?


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Jun 12 2018 04:45pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Jun 12 2018 05:40pm)
So Cohen is really worried he's going to get arrested. Looks like MAGA is going to mean "My attorney got arrested"

Though if he's innocent, what's he got to worry about?


Wasn't it sort of a given that after his office/residences were raided, he'd be indicted eventually? It's only a matter of time.

Trump's co-stars never disappoint.

Cohen just has to hold up until 2020... Trump will pardon him on the way out.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 12 2018 04:46pm
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Jun 12 2018 04:49pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 12 2018 04:32pm)
trumpshill attempts historical revisionism reframing trumps beef with cnn as opposition to mergers and monopolies
it's not very effective


where did I say that? you're putting words in my mouth. I just said: at&t was explicitly accusing trump of interfering to try to block them
which they were
I didn't specify why.

Trump's DoJ was opposing the merger and claiming it was due to the monopolistic anti-competitive nature of the merger
AT&T was accusing Trump of meddling in the merger review just because he hates CNN

I did not give any comment to the motivation that AT&T claimed, and you'd be one-sided and disingenuous to insist AT&T's accusation was the sole unchallenged truth
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Jun 12 2018 05:01pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 12 2018 05:49pm)
where did I say that? you're putting words in my mouth. I just said: at&t was explicitly accusing trump of interfering to try to block them
which they were
I didn't specify why.

Trump's DoJ was opposing the merger and claiming it was due to the monopolistic anti-competitive nature of the merger
AT&T was accusing Trump of meddling in the merger review just because he hates CNN

I did not give any comment to the motivation that AT&T claimed, and you'd be one-sided and disingenuous to insist AT&T's accusation was the sole unchallenged truth


you didn't have to, i know brietbart grade propaganda when i see it
it's the kind of commentary that's meant to be eaten up by trumpets as a way of seeing their emperor as someone who fights for the little guy

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Jun 12 2018 05:01pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 12 Jun 2018 18:23)
Youre right. Trump lost and Hillary won :rofl:

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Jun 12 2018 05:17pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/politics-and-truth-considering-the-wrong-perspective/

a good article from the national review I'd heartily endorse as worth the read

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When It’s Worth Considering the ‘Wrong’ Perspective

In 2018, the town of Ferguson, Mo. remains a kind of shorthand for police misconduct, particularly against unarmed black men. News of police shootings of young black Americans spawns talk of “another Ferguson.” The deceased in Ferguson, Michael Brown, is usually the first of a litany of names, followed by Freddie Gray and Trayvon Martin, uttered by activists trying to raise awareness about perceived policing issues in minority communities.

Yet President Obama’s Justice Department conducted a thorough review of Officer Darren Wilson’s role in Brown’s death, and found that Wilson’s use of force was justified because Brown had attacked him and attempted to grab his pistol. This was not a case where there wasn’t enough evidence to charge an officer with wrongdoing. The results of the investigation into Wilson’s conduct were not “inconclusive.” He was affirmatively cleared.

Yet, even with as comprehensive a factual investigation as one could have, conducted by an administration that could not have been more sympathetic to the community’s outrage and perception of Michael Brown’s shooting as unjustified, the narrative that Brown was “yet another” young black man done in by a racist, overaggressive cop who had no justification for his actions persists. So it is not without justification that Trump supporters, among others, look skeptically at those who, facts be damned, continue to cite Ferguson as an example of an unjustified police shooting, ignoring the Obama DOJ’s own fairly conclusive report.

Having worked on civil-rights issues at the DOJ, I understand where those who cling to the now-disproven Ferguson narrative are coming from, even if I don’t agree with pretending Officer Wilson committed a heinous crime. There are real issues surrounding policing in inner-city minority communities, many of which go far beyond use-of-force policies or shootings, which are, thank goodness, relatively rare. Many members of minority communities feel that all of the structures and institutions of society — from schools to employment opportunities to economic development to systems of civil fines — are actively working against them. Moreover, from their perspective, the community’s problems and their attempts to bring attention to these issues are being ignored by the political class and the media.

Thus, for many urban minorities who feel, and often are, ignored in the national political conversation, incidents like the Brown shooting become a proxy for a constellation of unrelated issues. Rational or not, rejection of the legitimacy of the “Hands Up! Don’t Shoot!” narrative seems to many like a rejection of their concerns as a whole, not a specific factual finding in a narrow investigation. This doesn’t make perpetuating a smear against Officer Wilson justified, but it does help explain the emotional current that drives such a smear.

Strange as it seems, I thought of all this a great deal while listening to an audio version of Salena Zito and Brad Todd’s excellent new book, The Great Revolt: Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics. The book is a sophisticated blend of data and interviews with Trump supporters in key Rust Belt counties that swung from Obama to Trump — an overwhelmingly white group of people who, like many inner-city minorities, feel abandoned by the institutions around them and ignored by the political class and the media.

It seems clear to me that just as Michael Brown served as an avatar for many minority communities who were tired of being ignored, Trump is an avatar for many rural and exurban whites who feel the same way. Thus, rejection of, or even criticism of, Trump for any specific issue (e.g., Trump’s false implication that Philadelphia Eagles players kneeled during the National Anthem and disrespected the flag) can be ignored by his supporters, because they perceive an attack on the president to be, in some way, an attack on their legitimate demands for cultural and political attention. Proving that a given claim about Trump is true, or that a given claim of Trump’s is false, will not change most of his supporters’ minds.

None of this makes me think that facts, as they relate either to police shootings or to Trump, don’t matter. None of this makes me less depressed about seeing politicians of any stripe flat-out pretend that falsehoods are true or truths are false. But I do find it interesting that, at least in some respects, white, culturally conservative Trump supporters and liberal, minority Trump opponents might have more in common with each other than either group would like to admit. For one thing, both groups prove that even people who are “wrong” can have something important to say, and it would behoove the rest of us to start listening.


If the atlantic actually had articles like this instead of stringing kevin williamson up high, I might not have canceled my subscription all those years ago
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Jun 12 2018 05:31pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Jun 2018 17:45)
Wasn't it sort of a given that after his office/residences were raided, he'd be indicted eventually? It's only a matter of time.

Trump's co-stars never disappoint.

Cohen just has to hold up until 2020... Trump will pardon him on the way out.


Cohen could be facing states charges, too.
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Jun 12 2018 06:21pm
Do any of you remember that AT&T was forced to divest, back in the early 80's?


Anyway, onto a new issue to debate ad nauseum.


Senate will not 'poke the bear' Trump by passing tariff measure: lawmaker

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-senate/senate-will-not-poke-the-bear-trump-by-passing-tariff-measure-lawmaker-idUSKBN1J82WV

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Bob Corker accused his fellow Republicans of being afraid to stand up to President Donald Trump on Tuesday, as his legislation to block the president’s ability to impose tariffs on national security grounds hit a roadblock in Congress.

“‘We might poke the bear’ is the language I have been hearing in the hallways,” Corker said in an emotional Senate speech. “The president might get upset with us as United States senators if we vote on the Corker amendment, so we’re going to do everything we can to block it.”

Corker and other lawmakers - Democrats as well as some of Trump’s fellow Republicans - introduced the measure last week after the president’s recent announcement that he was considering tariffs on automobiles, after imposing tariffs on steel and aluminum, citing national security concerns.

Trump, who campaigned on a pledge to negotiate better trade deals to bring back U.S. manufacturing jobs, has pursued aggressive measures against trading partners from China to Canada, Mexico and U.S. allies in Europe.

This has worried some lawmakers who strongly back principles of free trade, warning that Trump could trigger a trade war that would destabilize the economy and ultimately hurt American workers.

Corker’s amendment would have pared back Trump’s authority under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 to impose tariffs on national security grounds without obtaining Congress’ consent.



And the seriously anti-trump Dems take an uppercut to the jaw.

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